topol-m Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 Don't take yourself too seriously and leave moderating to moderators. I don't want to be a moderator, never wanted to be. Plus what I did was remind the forum rules to someone that obviously needed reminding, doing so is not moderators' reserved territory. There is no need to act as a lawyer to your countryman, as I haven't insulted him just asked him to follow the forum rules and pointed some facts: 1. what's the name of your country in English, 2. what's the language of communication on this forum [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
primus_TR Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 There is no need to act as a lawyer to your countryman, as I haven't insulted him just asked him to follow the forum rules and pointed some facts: 1. what's the name of your country in English, 2. what's the language of communication on this forum Doing so using may be a less patronizing style may help avoid similar reactions in the future. Also note that the poster in question posted in "English," not in Turkish. And everyone - except you apparently - understood which country he referred to. And you are the only one who took issue with his post. This should ring a bell, perhaps. Anyhow, best let's drop this here or you can PM me if you wish to drag this further. Cheers
topol-m Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 Doing so using may be a less patronizing style may help avoid similar reactions in the future. Also note that the poster in question posted in "English," not in Turkish. And everyone - except you apparently - understood which country he referred to. And you are the only one who took issue with his post. This should ring a bell, perhaps. Anyhow, best let's drop this here or you can PM me if you wish to drag this further. Cheers Yes, we'd better drop this as everything has been said already. Just some clarifications before that: he did post in English except for the country name. It was not posted in English as in English there is no such word as "Turkiye". He used the Latin alphabet but that was not English. I never said I didn't understand what country he meant, but this a principal matter, if you post in an English forum you don't write the countries Rossiya, Sakartvelo, Hanguk, Prathet Thai, Nihon, Turkiye. You use the correct English names (Russia, Georgia, Korea, Thailand, Japan, Turkey), I don't know why is this so hard to understand. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Namenlos Ein Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 A picture just for relaxing purpose. Ready, steady, go! 1st catapult launch.
primus_TR Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 In my opinion, it'd have been far wiser for the Turkish Air Force to spend its money on UAV research than this overpriced show-bird (though it sure has the looks).
hitman Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I think Turkey plans on pulling a chinese blueprint...thats just my gut speaking though.
primus_TR Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I think Turkey plans on pulling a chinese blueprint...thats just my gut speaking though. I apologise if I misunderstood what you said, but are you suggesting that Turkey partnered in the F35 development process and committed to purchasing the birds to share any knowledge acquired in them with the Chinese?
Cali Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I believe he is saying they are going to try to make one or more themselves from the 2 that they get. Basically copying the ones they get. i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
primus_TR Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I believe he is saying they are going to try to make one or more themselves from the 2 that they get. Basically copying the ones they get. Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification.
topol-m Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) I believe he is saying they are going to try to make one or more themselves from the 2 that they get. Basically copying the ones they get. I don't know if this ^^ makes any sense at all since Turkey is a partner in the JSF program and will be ordering about 100 F-35s, if I recall correctly. So what "copying of the 2 they are getting" are we talking about here? Certainly the F-35 can help them in the development of an indigenous fighter although as of now there is no such aircraft planned. There were some talks on possible negotiations between TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industries) and KAI (Korea Aerospace Industries) on the development of the KF-X fighter, but there is no indication that any final agreement has been reached. Edited January 17, 2012 by topol-m [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
HiJack Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I think Turkey plans on pulling a chinese blueprint...thats just my gut speaking though. Ah, the cardboard box version :D
Shaman Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 from RT "The F-35C, also known as the carrier variant of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (CV JSF), is one of several fifth-generation fighters developed under the JSF program. New documents reveal that the aircraft has a crucial flaw, which could prevent it from ever being able to land on a vessel. A Pentagon Concurrency Quick Look Review (QLR) of November 2011 says that all eight run-in/rolling tests undertaken at NAS Lakehurst in August 2011 to see if the F-35C could catch a wire with the tail hook have failed. The tail hook is meant to catch one of several wires stretched across the deck, after which a special arresting engine kicks in to quickly slow the aircraft down. In the case of the F-35C, the decades-old trick doesn’t work. The tail hook is located too close to the main landing gear, so the springs supporting the arresting cable don’t have enough time to raise it after the wheels run over it for the hook to engage." http://rt.com/news/f-35-design-flaw-917/ 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
GGTharos Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 When this was reported, they already had a suggested remedy in the works. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Shaman Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) When this was reported, they already had a suggested remedy in the works. Aha, a major overhaul of the plane, not likely we will see this happen in collapsing economy. Super Hornet will be happy to hear this. Edited January 17, 2012 by Shaman 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Vekkinho Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Which is cheaper: Redesigning the F-35C tailhook system or redesigning the entire US carrier fleet to make those runways bit longer? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) worse, why purchase a fighter that will be far outlived by its rival? :huh: Aha, a major overhaul of the plane, not likely we will see this happen in collapsing economy. Super Hornet will be happy to hear this. Edited January 17, 2012 by Pilotasso .
aaron886 Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 worse, why purchase a fighter that will be far outlived by its rival? :huh: Meaning you think the Super Hornet would outlive the F-35? That's a stretch. There are a lot of undecried flaws that plague the Rhino... it's still a stop-gap. From what I heard, this tailhook thing is being severely overblown.
Pilotasso Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) I said just the opposite. I should have made a quote of Shamans post to make it clear. EDIT: done! Edited January 17, 2012 by Pilotasso .
GGTharos Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 If by 'major overhaul of the plane' you mean 'redesigning the end of the hook', then I guess you must be right. Aha, a major overhaul of the plane, not likely we will see this happen in collapsing economy. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
aaron886 Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 If by 'major overhaul of the plane' you mean 'redesigning the end of the hook', then I guess you must be right. The problem will be the doors, if a redesign is required.
hitman Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 I don't know if this ^^ makes any sense at all since Turkey is a partner in the JSF program and will be ordering about 100 F-35s, if I recall correctly. So what "copying of the 2 they are getting" are we talking about here? Certainly the F-35 can help them in the development of an indigenous fighter although as of now there is no such aircraft planned. There were some talks on possible negotiations between TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industries) and KAI (Korea Aerospace Industries) on the development of the KF-X fighter, but there is no indication that any final agreement has been reached. AFAIK, they arent exactly a partner. If they do ANYTHING, they may build some bits and pieces of their aircraft in their assembly lines. It sounds suspicious to me that they would order just 2 aircraft. Its a similiar situation when Russia denied China the ability to purchase 2 (and ONLY 2) Su-30MKs, because they have stolen technology that way. Face it..the F-35 has technology everyone wants. Whos to say that those planes may "acquire hardware failure during flight tests and crashed" and vanish into someones greedy little hands?
MustangSally Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Partner nations are divided into four groups: I. UK. II. Italy and Netherlands. III. Australia, Turkey, Canada, Norway and Denmark. Security Cooperative Participants. Israel and Singapore. From Wikipedia... The levels generally reflect the financial stake in the program, the amount of technology transfer and subcontracts open for bid by national companies, and the order in which countries can obtain production aircraft. Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, 55" Samsung Odyssey Ark, Trackir
topol-m Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 AFAIK, they arent exactly a partner. If they do ANYTHING, they may build some bits and pieces of their aircraft in their assembly lines. It sounds suspicious to me that they would order just 2 aircraft. Its a similiar situation when Russia denied China the ability to purchase 2 (and ONLY 2) Su-30MKs, because they have stolen technology that way. Face it..the F-35 has technology everyone wants. Whos to say that those planes may "acquire hardware failure during flight tests and crashed" and vanish into someones greedy little hands? They are a partner. And do you think the US would sell them these two F-35s if they expect that Turkey won't buy more but instead is planning on starting a T-35 production line and manufacture 100 of these by themselves? Or that they'll pack one up and send it to China for instance :doh: As far as I know the purchase of those 100 F-35 has just been delayed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
primus_TR Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 As far as I know the purchase of those 100 F-35 has just been delayed. Correct, the order for 100 (plus 16 on option) aircraft is currently on hold, for the US backtracked on their promise to supply the software code to systems as originally agreed. At USD 160 million a piece, F35 is way overpriced anyhow (although these 2 cost USD ~130 million each). The whole point of Turkey's joining in the deal was tech transfer, but it became irrelevant now.
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