Mirage 2000C 06/2022 update presentation

[Galinette]

On 10/24/2023 at 1:42 PM, PLUTON said:

Thank you for these clarifications, one could believe in innuendo the way I formulated my sentences but that was not the case, and I did not blame the developers at Razbam for anything, it was just a question.
as for the work still to be done on the 2000, I was thinking about the engine sounds which I think is not finished because for the moment it is Mr Sédenion who is the closest but I thought that Razbam would finish the real sound by their own means from 2000?
Otherwise the 2000 is very good as it is.
Thank you for the work accomplished

Hi!

Sounds are extremely subjective. We tried to make them as best as possible from ground crew feedback and ground crew recordings, with good recording gear (high pressure microphones, etc...).
I know that you don't like them, and live close to an airbase. People helping us on this work on the airbase on a daily basis. We are not against adopting a mod, if the author agrees, and if ground crew like it more than the official files. In the case of Sedenion's mod, they were unanimously unfavorable. Also, don't take youtube videos as a reference, phone and action cam microphones are very prone to distort and filter out a lot of noise components, because noise reduction is a feature.

Sound update is not scheduled at the moment, unless a new mod is released that receives good feedback from SMEs.

Thus, we encourage development and use of mods, especially for sounds, and fully agree it's a matter of taste. Some might be more pleasing to the eye.

Other stuff are planned, such as IFF, failures, etc... The pace of updates is of course not the same as an early access module.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Kercheiz

[Stanlesuper]

Hi,

I use a personal sound mod for the M2KC that I don't share because it is still evolving. Sound is a very important subject. From time to time I come back to the original sounds of the module, and I am more convinced of it compared to its release a few months ago. I understood that it was developed seriously and that the effort was mainly made with ground crew feedback. I will however be very happy to see that this work can be improved by razbam in future updates, it's fun to make your own updates but it's always nice to have them officially I think.

Edited October 29, 2023 by Stanlesuper

[PLUTON]

Hello Mr Kercheiz
Thank you for taking the time to answer me, but I will give you an example of a sound that I did not hear in a video but sitting on a stool in front of the runways and taxiway of Luxeuil-Saint Sauveur Air Base 116.
When a Mirage 2000 arrives in front of you you only hear the sound from the front of the engine air inlets and not the sound of the engine outlets (rear) then as it passes in front of you the sound from the front and the one from the rear mixes until you only hear the one from the rear output.
It is only in profile that you hear both (front/rear)
your guys from the ground team have the same ears as me so they must hear the same thing as me and if their equipment is of good quality then with all confidence they must record what they hear.
However, far from me being critical of you, there is no criticism of your ground team.
We are all going in the same direction, we all love planes.
Keep making us dream and thank you again.

[PLUTON]

Thank you for your video Mr Stanlesuper
it is marked "Supersoundsmod" But what is this Mod? and where can we find it?

[Stanlesuper]

New soundmod for the M-2000C if interested:

Exterior demo updated in january 2024:

 

Edited January 21 by Stanlesuper
2024 soundmod updated

[PLUTON]

Hello Stanlesuper
I downloaded your supersound mod and it corresponds exactly to what I was looking for (until now I used the one from Sedenion which is great too)
but you managed to get what I heard in the air force videos
PS: I just changed the gain of the sdef file (int-thrust) Gain =8 instead of Gain = 4 so that it better suits my ear.
That said, as I had already said to Sedenion, congratulations and a big thank you for the joy you bring us Stanlesuper.
Bravo, immersion and practically tota

[Red_Pilot]

I know it might seem weird and old-fashioned .. But I was expecting New Year's discounts on Mirage this year and was surprised that there are no discounts

Edited December 28, 2023 by Red_Pilot

[Spirale]

13 hours ago, Red_Pilot said:

I know it might seem weird and old-fashioned .. But I was expecting New Year's discounts on Mirage this year and was surprised that there are no discounts

 

This morning i'opened the DCS M2000 forum ( always happy to do this) and saw there was a new post in this "update section" sub-forum. At first i was amazed and exited to read this update.....until i read your post....

Edited December 29, 2023 by Spirale

[Oscar1984]

В 18.06.2022 в 15:11, myHelljumper сказал:

Mirage 2000C Engine update presentation

Hello Mirage pilots, we are happy to present you the upcoming engine update for our M-2000C module. The team has been working on a new engine model that is more accurate to its real life counterpart and allows for better damage and failure simulation.

This update should release on the Open Beta later this month.

In this update presentation we will first introduce the reworked M53-P2 engine model and explain how it was created. We will then talk about the change it will bring to the module flight envelope and finish by presenting the other changes this update will bring.

M53-P2 Engine

Introduction

The Snecma M-53 is an afterburning turbofan engine developed for the Dassault Mirage 2000 fighter. The M53-P2 is an improvement to the initial M53-5 improving throttle response as well as dry and wet thrust.

The engine is controlled by a FADEC (full authority digital engine control) computer that translates the throttle movement into a linear and predictable engine response. The FADEC takes altitude, speed engine RPM and temperature into account to maintain optimal parameters inside the engine and ensure that maximum performance is obtained in every condition.

Engine modeling

The engine of the aircraft is based on a physical model that takes every engine design parameter into account. These parameters are determined using public literature, SME feedback and general knowledge of afterburning turbofan engines. Unobtainable parameters are deducted from industry standard or tuned to match known performance points of the aircraft.

The engine model takes all possible external parameters (altitude, speed, temperature, humidity, pressure) into account to deliver a very detailed and as accurate as possible simulation of the engine.

This model is bounded by the operational limits of the engine, namely over-speed, over-temp, flameout and wear. These limits are not “scripted”, they are probabilistic meaning that when a limit is exceeded, a failure will occur after a randomized amount of time. The farther from the limit, the sooner the failure, until it is virtually instantaneous.

Engine performance

The new engine maximum performance has not changed significantly with the update, but it will be more accurate in all regimes of flight and also have a more realistic behavior.

The most evident change is the engine RPM that now goes up to 103% instead of 100%. This is because the aircraft was originally equipped with the less powerful M53-5 engine which would go to 100%.
The biggest change in performance will come from external temperature where a 15°C increase will reduce the overall thrust by 5%.
The new engine will also have an improved throttle response delay: On the ground, the time from idle to max thrust dry is 5 sec compared to 8 sec for the old model.

Engine failure and damage

When exceeding a limit or by undergoing battle damage, the engine will now encounter better modeled failures. These failures range from engine wear reducing performance to catastrophic blade containment failure, destroying the aircraft, and transformation of the turbine into a modern art sculpture.

Emergency systems have also been improved with the addition of the emergency oil system, emergency fuel throttle, backup FADEC and afterburner cutoff. These function as they should to allow the pilot to save a damaged engine and return to base.

Aircraft performances

In-flight behavior

In order to accommodate the new engine, the aircraft flight model has been adjusted. The new flight model will keep most of the characteristics of the old one but with an adjusted drag for both speed and AoA, pushing it closer to known performance points.

The aircraft can now follow the standard break procedure, something that was not possible previously due to the drag being too high at high AoA.
The aircraft can also cruise at Mach 0.95+ at altitude with an air-to-air combat load.
The supersonic drag curve has also been adjusted, being the highest in transonic then reducing once out of this zone.

Ground behavior

We also took the time to adjust the behavior of the aircraft on the ground. The new suspension should better reflect the real aircraft like the bounciness of the front gear.

The aircraft will now roll on idle on even ground and no brakes are applied, check the wheel chock before starting !

New bombs

With the inclusion of the SAMP bombs into DCS, we added the SAMP-250 to the loadout of our Mirage. The SAMP-250 is a 250 kg general purpose bomb of french design that was used by the French Air Force before switching to the Mk-82 bomb.
2 versions are available, a low drag and a high drag version with a drag chute kit.
It is to note that the release profile for the low drag version has not been adjusted yet and that they will always fall long. We will work on fixing that in a future patch.

Other changes

In addition to the engine rework, we implemented a lot of quality of life updates for the Mirage.
We will list some of them :

• Added slats effect when deployed/retracted manually.
• Dissociated the 4 slats so they can be damaged independently and affect the FM.
• More realistic VTH field of view constraints.
• Added fuel dump trails.
• Improved exterior lights.
• Added customizable elastic limit (special options).
• Added “MISSION ACCOMPLIE” Mirage 2000C retirement celebration livery.
• Fixed green radio default preset to 01.

Updated manual

To go with the release of this update is the updated manual. The manual has been updated with the latest changes for the Mirage 2000C.

It will be available in your game files (DCS Word/Mods/aircraft/M-2000C/Doc) and can also be download here :

M-2000C Manual 2.2.0.pdf

Conclusion

With this update we again pushed the Mirage systems realism where they deserves to be. We will continue to improve the aircraft remaining systems and work on more detailed failures and damages.

And to everyone flying the Mirage, thank you for your support !
 

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Wow! Cool presentation!

Edited September 6 by Oscar1984

[gorzasty]

Is Razbam on the rails again?

Wysłane z mojego VOG-L29 przy użyciu Tapatalka

[Tom Kazansky]

well : "Edited June 18, 2022 by myHelljumper"

 

[gorzasty]

well : "Edited June 18, 2022 by myHelljumper"
 

Ups. Sorry. Old topic.

Wysłane z mojego VOG-L29 przy użyciu Tapatalka

[Tom Kazansky]

Just now, gorzasty said:

Ups. Sorry. Old topic.

Wysłane z mojego VOG-L29 przy użyciu Tapatalka
 

No worries. Guess you've been driven by hope. I appreciate that attitude these days.

[Gladius]

I've been wanting to use the Mirage 2000 again for a while. I know about the problems with Razbam and so I'm wondering if I should even bother with the M2k?

Are there any errors in the meantime that spoil the fun of using the M2k?

Does anyone have experience with this?

[Gunnar81]

56 minutes ago, Gladius said:

I've been wanting to use the Mirage 2000 again for a while. I know about the problems with Razbam and so I'm wondering if I should even bother with the M2k?

Are there any errors in the meantime that spoil the fun of using the M2k?

Does anyone have experience with this?

Others may have interpreted it different, but ED has stated in the ongoing Razbam threads that RB modules considered complete, so the Harrier, Mirage, Mig 19 will be maintained as they are with ongoing fixes to keep them working. Only the F15E is murky as it was still considerex 'in development' and early access.

[VictorDavion]

I wonder if there is any appetite for RB to update the Mirage 2000C to the S5 standard? They are halfway there with the engine and radar changes they made. Just need to add the Thales Totem INS/GPS which gives you GPS and link 16 (just a drop in replacement for the current INS unit) as well as the newer countermeasures stuff that improves the RWR/EW and removes the Eclair for better integrated dispensers in the rear wing roots. Can't imagine it would be too difficult for them to do. 

[Despayre]

On 9/23/2024 at 6:01 PM, VictorDavion said:

I wonder if there is any appetite for RB to update the Mirage 2000C to the S5 standard? They are halfway there with the engine and radar changes they made. Just need to add the Thales Totem INS/GPS which gives you GPS and link 16 (just a drop in replacement for the current INS unit) as well as the newer countermeasures stuff that improves the RWR/EW and removes the Eclair for better integrated dispensers in the rear wing roots. Can't imagine it would be too difficult for them to do. 

do anything right now?

No, there is not. Zero chance until there's some major changes, which I wouldn't hold our breath on happening any time soon.

[VictorDavion]

12 hours ago, Despayre said:

do anything right now?

No, there is not. Zero chance until there's some major changes, which I wouldn't hold our breath on happening any time soon.

Yes I know all about the drama. This is assuming it gets worked out at some point. 

[myHelljumper]

On 9/24/2024 at 3:01 AM, VictorDavion said:

I wonder if there is any appetite for RB to update the Mirage 2000C to the S5 standard? They are halfway there with the engine and radar changes they made. Just need to add the Thales Totem INS/GPS which gives you GPS and link 16 (just a drop in replacement for the current INS unit) as well as the newer countermeasures stuff that improves the RWR/EW and removes the Eclair for better integrated dispensers in the rear wing roots. Can't imagine it would be too difficult for them to do. 

The Module is already of the S5 standard.

GPS and link 16 were never integrated in the 2000C, only the -5F and the 2000D have it.

To our knowledge, the SERVAL RWR did not significantly change during the life of the aircraft, we know the symbology on it was reworked a few times but the current implementation is correct for all we know.

The SPIRALE chaff dispensers are already present and implemented, the ECLAIR pod is an addition to the CM system.

You can find most of the information I shared above in the module Manual.

[Despayre]

9 hours ago, myHelljumper said:

in the module Manual.

What is this "manual" thing you speak of? Is that French for something?

[Galinette]

On 9/26/2024 at 6:43 PM, Despayre said:

What is this "manual" thing you speak of? Is that French for something?

 

 

As in : The M-2000C module comes with a 689-page instruction manual

Edited October 5 by Galinette