[ATTN ALL DEVS] F-105D, F & G "THUD" THUNDERCHIEF ENGINEERING & PERFORMANCE DATA DUMP (upd. 2025MAY26)

[Nodak]

With that 1-1 supplemental flight manual there's no need for a working jet, that thing has every performance metric you'll ever need to make a flight model and more.  It's rare to get an actual hold on one of those manuals, they were a controlled item and had accountability, had to be turned back in by any aircrew they were issued too.  Generally they weren't issued to single piloted aircrew, but a copy available back at the squadron for any reference.  For heavy multi-crew they were issued to flight engineers only.

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3 hours ago, Nodak said:

With that 1-1 supplemental flight manual there's no need for a working jet, that thing has every performance metric you'll ever need to make a flight model and more.  It's rare to get an actual hold on one of those manuals, they were a controlled item and had accountability, had to be turned back in by any aircrew they were issued too.  Generally they weren't issued to single piloted aircrew, but a copy available back at the squadron for any reference.  For heavy multi-crew they were issued to flight engineers only.

 

The Thunderstick II Manual I included? Also the Flight Manual in the pack is the 800+ page manual. It's not the small 300pg one that floats around the internet. I have other stuff but I paid money for it and signed an 'Indeminification' agreement with the Smithstonian and with the Dennis W. Jarvi Collection.

Edited Sunday at 09:32 PM by SOLIDKREATE

[Nodak]

Usually the 1-1 is titled as the Aircraft performance manual, has every performance chart ever compiled in testing, such as braking distances for every known runway condition,  high elevation airfield take off performance with obstacle clearance charts, and things like loss of an engine or two flight performance charts if multi engine.   Any flight condition and it's tested performance that you could think of, including things like range to power setting charts.  When I see a 1-1 that's the manual I automatically think of, but if it's way back the manual series may have been different and not yet standardized.

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Oh I see now, I'll hunt for one if there is one.

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

The Thunderstick II Manual I included? Also the Flight Manual in the pack is the 800+ page manual. It's not the small 300pg one that floats around the internet. I have other stuff but I paid money for it and signed an 'Indeminification' agreement with the Smithstonian and with the Dennis W. Jarvi Collection.

Nice I believe the Thunderstick was a post vietnam upgrade which would be contemporary with our Phantom 

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It would fit in the Germany CW map then

[upyr1]

11 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

It would fit in the Germany CW map then

yes

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On 5/25/2025 at 1:54 PM, Nodak said:

Usually the 1-1 is titled as the Aircraft performance manual, has every performance chart ever compiled in testing, such as braking distances for every known runway condition,  high elevation airfield take off performance with obstacle clearance charts, and things like loss of an engine or two flight performance charts if multi engine.   Any flight condition and it's tested performance that you could think of, including things like range to power setting charts.  When I see a 1-1 that's the manual I automatically think of, but if it's way back the manual series may have been different and not yet standardized.

From what I saw on the cover of the 1970 manual in my pack; is that all pubs were merged to make it a complete document. There are tons of performance charts in it. Give it a look.

[Nodak]

Definitely have all the charts in that 858 page D model flight manual.  I didn't join up till 80, but by than the Tech Order system for every aircraft was basically standardized as a system of manuals.  They had too when the Core Automated Maintenance System computers were being birthed.  It required uniformity in all Technical Order's for all weapons systems.  By the way is also used to manage personal and their training and actual maintenance scheduled and unscheduled, supply, parts, individual jets, their life history, pilot hours, jet flight hours, engine times, practically everything.  He who understood that system and how it worked were king basically and would be promoted quick.  Not many did, it was complex and screwy how it interlaced, also was hugely compartmentalized.  Most maintainers learned the TO system pretty easily because of the uniformity, at least the part of the manual system they used.

That old D-1 manual is a blend of a few manuals.  It's impressively huge, doubt any pilot actually carried one of those around much, way too big, or ever read and studied the entire thing.  Betting the hand held checklist is also big compared to modern ones.  Generally those are taken straight off the manuals printed checklist's found scattered all over the chapters and miniaturized on smaller pages inserted into a pilot carried sleeved checklist.  Most definitely the emergency procedures, but sometimes the old planes had scroll checklist built right in for the basic phases of flight, seen them on old C-130A's + B's and some C-141's had them also.  I don't know about than but in my day you were required to commit to memory any bold faced emergency procedure, and if a flight examiner ask and you had so much as one word wrong or missing you busted your check ride and downgraded to duties not to include flying.  So those would be the most studied and important part for a pilot.  Any other question you were allowed to reference the book, but if you referenced everything or too much they'd flay you alive with ever increasing difficult questions on stuff from the other manuals and sections you didn't know.   

Looking at the size of that emergency procedures chapter scares me, that thing looks extremely dangerous and complex.  I've never seen emergency procedures for an aircraft with that many pages.  Your project looks good to go for great flight model and operational references and data, very detailed graphs and charts for the important stuff most pilots never even bother to look at.  But they did have them for operational needs with instructors who could read them.  One of the reasons in the old days test pilot school continuously held many classes for future and advanced instructors who went back to their respective units.  Biggest part of that was charts and best way is teach you how to make them, those guys knew what these charts were about and how to use them.  Or you could go consult an enlisted crewman who was a qualified flight engineer, they drill charts into those guys, but they're all a vanishing breed with computers directly in the aircraft now.  When the computer goes down your punching out any way.

And thank you for the manuals.

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7 minutes ago, Nodak said:

Definitely have all the charts in that 858 page D model flight manual.  I didn't join up till 80, but by than the Tech Order system for every aircraft was basically standardized as a system of manuals.  They had too when the Core Automated Maintenance System computers were being birthed.  It required uniformity in all Technical Order's for all weapons systems.  By the way is also used to manage personal and their training and actual maintenance scheduled and unscheduled, supply, parts, individual jets, their life history, pilot hours, jet flight hours, engine times, practically everything.  He who understood that system and how it worked were king basically and would be promoted quick.  Not many did, it was complex and screwy how it interlaced, also was hugely compartmentalized.  Most maintainers learned the TO system pretty easily because of the uniformity, at least the part of the manual system they used.

That old D-1 manual is a blend of a few manuals.  It's impressively huge, doubt any pilot actually carried one of those around much, way too big, or ever read and studied the entire thing.  Betting the hand held checklist is also big compared to modern ones.  Generally those are taken straight off the manuals printed checklist's found scattered all over the chapters and miniaturized on smaller pages inserted into a pilot carried sleeved checklist.  Most definitely the emergency procedures, but sometimes the old planes had scroll checklist built right in for the basic phases of flight, seen them on old C-130A's + B's and some C-141's had them also.  I don't know about than but in my day you were required to commit to memory any bold faced emergency procedure, and if a flight examiner ask and you had so much as one word wrong or missing you busted your check ride and downgraded to duties not to include flying.  So those would be the most studied and important part for a pilot.  Any other question you were allowed to reference the book, but if you referenced everything or too much they'd flay you alive with ever increasing difficult questions on stuff from the other manuals and sections you didn't know.   

Looking at the size of that emergency procedures chapter scares me, that thing looks extremely dangerous and complex.  I've never seen emergency procedures for an aircraft with that many pages.  Your project looks good to go for great flight model and operational references and data, very detailed graphs and charts for the important stuff most pilots never even bother to look at.  But they did have them for operational needs with instructors who could read them.  One of the reasons in the old days test pilot school continuously held many classes for future and advanced instructors who went back to their respective units.  Biggest part of that was charts and best way is teach you how to make them, those guys knew what these charts were about and how to use them.  Or you could go consult an enlisted crewman who was a qualified flight engineer, they drill charts into those guys, but they're all a vanishing breed with computers directly in the aircraft now.  When the computer goes down your punching out any way.

And thank you for the manuals.

Wow great read and you're very welcome

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