MBot Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 I just had a quick look at various tank ammo and most of them have tracers. Could some of the tank experts confirm that tanks usually fire tracer ammo? If this is indeed realistic, I think it would add a lot to the look of the game.
Airway Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) Yes here: Night firing with Leopard 2 A4 Edited January 5, 2009 by Airway
MBot Posted January 5, 2009 Author Posted January 5, 2009 Well in that case it would be nice to also have tracers for tank rounds in DCS. Doesn't sound like a very complicated thing to implement. This would also help to get a better feeling when you are being under fire by tanks. Right now the first thing I usually notice of being engaged by tanks is a sabot in the face :) (laser warning is usually illuminated nonstop anyway)
SunDown Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 I can't speak for all tanks, but for the most part all US main HEAT tank rounds are tracer. I can speak for M2 Bradleys and say that all 25mm rounds are tracer. C Co 6-6 CAV USLANTCOM
fox_111 Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 When firing at helicopters, I think tanks would use canister shots, wich are super duper shotgun shells. Those don't have tracers. But yeah, Tracers for other types of round would be nice. Sometime, all I see is a puff of smoke... 1 sec later, the game kinda lag for a sec and bouff... in flame I go. It's fun!
AlphaOneSix Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 When firing at helicopters, I think tanks would use canister shots, wich are super duper shotgun shells. They shouldn't be. Canister rounds, at least for the M1 Abrams, only have a maximum range of 800 meters, and that's against infantry. They are designed for use against infantry, not for use against halicopters. Shotguns make horrible, horrible anti-air weapons unless your target is right in your face.
uhoh7 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 When firing at helicopters, I think tanks would use canister shots, wich are super duper shotgun shells. Those don't have tracers. But yeah, Tracers for other types of round would be nice. Sometime, all I see is a puff of smoke... 1 sec later, the game kinda lag for a sec and bouff... in flame I go. It's fun! It's a sick feeling, isn't it. You're squinting at the TV, locking some big monster up, and you notice--hey it's pointing right at me. Then that big POOF in black and white. uhoh. 1 E8600 Asus P5E Radeon 4870x2 Corsair 4gb Velociraptor 300gb Neopower 650 NZXT Tempest Vista64 Samsung 30" 2560x1600
EvilBivol-1 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 I can't speak for all tanks, but for the most part all US main HEAT tank rounds are tracer. I can speak for M2 Bradleys and say that all 25mm rounds are tracer. Although BS does not currently model different types of main gun ammunition for tanks, it may still be useful to clear this up for any future development. Do I understand correctly that specifically HEAT rounds are tracer? I guess this makes sense - you wouldn't expect a sabot to tracer. Fundamentally, the round currently assumed in Black Shark is Sabot. It even has a 3D model. It behaves like a hybrid round though, which also makes sense for a simulation that does not account for various types of ammo in the tank. In any case though, something to consider. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
SunDown Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Well I don't know. I'm not a tanker, but I have seen M1's fire HEAT rounds and they were tracer rounds. Our (M2 ODS Bradley) sabot rounds are tracer rounds, so the tanks may be the same way. I just don't know about those guys. The cut away drawing above is a sabot and its got a tracer burn in the rear. This is real world. Luckily I haven't seen and main tank rounds come at me in the sim yet. Not to say they haven't shot me down, but I just haven't seen them... :) C Co 6-6 CAV USLANTCOM
uhoh7 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 One other small note on tanks: Leopards and Abrams always take two missles. I know they are tough. But an ass shot should disable them, right? One thing that's really well done is the wreakage, tracks half off, hatches open etc. E8600 Asus P5E Radeon 4870x2 Corsair 4gb Velociraptor 300gb Neopower 650 NZXT Tempest Vista64 Samsung 30" 2560x1600
ED Team Groove Posted January 6, 2009 ED Team Posted January 6, 2009 AFAIK Heat Rounds don't use tracerts as they are quite visible inflight. APFSDS-T are tracer rounds. The Tracer material is located on the back of the dart, so the gunner can see the flight path of the sabot round. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Mugatu Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Yeah had the same thing happen, saw a lot of white smoke coming out of the tank and thought did someone else and hit it, then BANG BANG all dead. Pays not to hover with in range. It's a sick feeling, isn't it. You're squinting at the TV, locking some big monster up, and you notice--hey it's pointing right at me. Then that big POOF in black and white. uhoh.
Flanker15 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 From my experience, APFSDS is tracer and HEAT isn't. That's the M1 and Leo (the shoot the same shell anyway) I do not have infos on Soviet shells or rifled 120mm shells that challenger tanks use.
ED Team Groove Posted January 6, 2009 ED Team Posted January 6, 2009 APFSDS-T is the Tracer round. Flanker15, did you meant that they use the same canon? US ARMY and Bundeswehr use they own ammunition types. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
sparrows Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Both Leo and Abrams use the M256 Canon developed bei Rheinmetall.
LazerPotatoe Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 You can kinda see the tracer effect is these 2 videos: HEAT vs SABOT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgdFV19XpQ Abrams Gunnery LP modules: F5-E / A4-E / A-10A / AJS-37 / SA-342 / UH-1H / Ka-50 / Mi-8 / CA would buy: OH-58 /AH-64A / AH-1 / Sepecat Jaguar / F-111
ED Team Groove Posted January 6, 2009 ED Team Posted January 6, 2009 Both Leo and Abrams use the M256 Canon developed bei Rheinmetall. Yes that was true for a long time. The new Leo2A6 uses the new L/55 canon which isn't used by the Abrams. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
MBot Posted January 6, 2009 Author Posted January 6, 2009 I have no real world expierience, but it seems that the standard US 120mm ammo has tracers. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/120.htm
Flanker15 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Did some looking around and found that Russian and British SABOT shells have tracers in them aswell. Might aswell just give all the tanks tracers for their main guns then.
ED Team Groove Posted January 6, 2009 ED Team Posted January 6, 2009 Seems to be so nowadays :) Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Riserburn Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 I have had on a few occasions been supported by an Abrams, and to be honest if it had tracer you (I) couldn't tell (in daytime). Events in those environments don't allow you to stare wide eyed at the booms. But I was light infantry, so my xp is very limited with tanks. off topic a bit: At least we have a laser warning system in the shark to give you a heads up! Watch out for the T 55 (i think thats them) they dont have a laser (or dont seem to use it) so BOOM may be all you get.
arthuro12 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 One other small note on tanks: Leopards and Abrams always take two missles. I know they are tough. But an ass shot should disable them, right? One thing that's really well done is the wreakage, tracks half off, hatches open etc. yes i must say the damage models are excellent.. one thing that keeps bothering me is the flames.. but ill mod those one day i think but ye.. more tracers would be fun.. makes you all .. jumpy.. i remember playing a mod for Battlefield 2.. and there where tracers on every 3 rounds for rifles.. then you had a map that was all fog in a forrest.. seeing those tracers soar past you scared the crap out of players.. ripping trees appart.. hitting your buddies.. etc etc I vote yes for more tracers :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Flanker15 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) One other small note on tanks: Leopards and Abrams always take two missles. I know they are tough. But an ass shot should disable them, right? The damage model isn't that complex for ground units yet, damage is the same all round. Since the front turret plates on those tanks can stop a Vikhr I guess they decided 2 shots to balance it out. I'd prefer one missile though since everywhere else on the tank is vulnerable to Vikhrs, the chance of hitting the front turret plates is low and non existent from the side or rear. Edited January 6, 2009 by Flanker15
boomshekah Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Here is a quick little mod i made to add tracers to tankrounds: http://rapidshare.com/files/180419878/tank_tracers_v1.rar 2
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