no bug Unusual wing loss

[Jafferson]

During my dive bombing practice i had unusal wing loss multipel times. When this happend the first time i thought my wings had collision with the bombs, watching the track after shows this was not happen. The wing getting loss without collision, even in low G manuvers after dropping bombs.

Its like a invisible wave is hitting the plane when the bombs hitting the ground, wing get los before detonation. Could be a bug with the Bomb delay, but not sure about that.

Tracks uploaded, investigate please

Mosi wing loss.trk Mosi wing loss2.trk

...one more track

Mosi wing loss3.trk

Edited September 19, 2022 by Jafferson

[Art-J]

I only watched the first track, but boy oh boy, if that's your definition of "low g maneuvers" during pull-ups, then I don't want to know what you consider as "high g maneuvers" :D.

Mate, you were hamfisting this plane hard, loading between 5.5 and 6 g on each pull-up. Remember that the Mossie was rated for 6 max, had bob weight installed in the pitch control system specifically to make over-3 g maneuvers harder for the pilots (otherwise they would be able to overload the plane too easily because of extremely sensitive elvator), and the pilots didn't exceed 4 g in typical diving attacks. Granted, we don't have the equivalent of F2-cam g-meter in cockpit, but if you can see wingtips flexing, that in itself means the plane is getting beaten up. Seeing wingtip contrails means the Mossie is already turning hard, no need to pull even tighter.

Keep in mind that simulated stress damage is cumulative in DCS - Mossie might take a few hard pull-ups like the ones you did, but the damage treshold gets lower and lower with each one, so the plane will break up mid air eventually.

[Jafferson]

I have read max limit was 8G ?

[Jafferson]

Ok did a 7G pull over the airfield and have requested a repair, Mosi took damage. Yes looks like G limit is causing to breake the wing. But the Mosi feels realy fragile due to this fact.

[Bozon]

One significant contributing factor is that currently the “feel” of the mosquito is very bland. You can’t feel G or the stress on the airframe - there is no noise variation with airspeed, no vibrations or rattling sounds near the stall, no creaking sounds as you bend the airframe. This combined with the sensitive elevator means that at high speeds you easily over G without even realizing it.

FB.VI is still officially in early access. I really REALLY hope that they are still working on it and other missing features. At the current state, as much as I love her, the Mosquito feels as an unfinished product.

[Art-J]

@Jafferson Why not trying various delay bomb fuzing options we've got available now? You'll be able to do more shallow dive attacks, drop bombs much lower and with better accuracy. As long as the target doesn't shoot back, of course ;).

Edited September 20, 2022 by Art-J

[Jafferson]

23 hours ago, Art-J said:

@Jafferson Why not trying various delay bomb fuzing options we've got available now? You'll be able to do more shallow dive attacks, drop bombs much lower and with better accuracy. As long as the target doesn't shoot back, of course ;).

 

Yes i do, i destroyed all my target. But I like a more aggressiv dive. It's only a problem after multiple attack's, 2-3 drops and a repair after works but guns is to much.

Trying to not exed the limit takes away the agility, touch with velvet gloves only.

I am confused, expected 8G but the limit is much lower. I try to understand the airframe, metal can crack but wood is flexible. What is the problem, why so weake?

[NineLine]

On 9/19/2022 at 12:15 PM, Jafferson said:

During my dive bombing practice i had unusal wing loss multipel times. When this happend the first time i thought my wings had collision with the bombs, watching the track after shows this was not happen. The wing getting loss without collision, even in low G manuvers after dropping bombs.

Its like a invisible wave is hitting the plane when the bombs hitting the ground, wing get los before detonation. Could be a bug with the Bomb delay, but not sure about that.

Tracks uploaded, investigate please

Mosi wing loss.trk 2.18 MB · 1 download Mosi wing loss2.trk 2.09 MB · 0 downloads

...one more track

Mosi wing loss3.trk 2.51 MB · 0 downloads

 

Wing damage will compound if you repeatedly load up the wings, you are using a mission where the bombs will respawn and then you are using a high G dive bombing tactic over and over. 

The Mossie generally did low level, level attacks or pop up. Even if someone did a dive bomb attack in one, it would be one and done, maybe two at most. You are doing it over and over, basically abusing the wings until the finally give. up.

Compound damage lowers the strength of the wings, so you might survive a couple 7-8G dives, and then snap the wings at 4-5 because the wings are toast. 

Hope this helps.