need track replay Some discoveries after today's patch.

[Amarok_73]

So far, two major issues found:
1. In stable hover, SAS(?) suddenly causes strong rotation in yaw axis to the right.
2. IHADSS mode is bouncing when switching, when up, then it goes through transision mode to the cruise, when switching to the back, it skips through hover to the bob-up mode. It happens only when live CP/G is present.

[DOG]

I have totally experienced the sudden yaw, and  under some conditions you don't need left pedal to hover anymore  BUT at some point is like it remembers that it needs left pedal and boooom  yanks the nose the the right hard , it also happened to George when he was  hovering.
Also I cant access the perf page idk if bug or what

Edited September 22, 2022 by DOG

[skypickle]

There’s another thread where some of the Apache consultants were describing the behavior of the real aircraft. There is a computer which keeps the heading by adjusting the tail rotor for small deviations. However, if the heading deviates more than 2 degrees then the computer thinks you are trying to turn and stops ‘helping’. This behavior is intentional and almost eliminates the need for constant boot input to maintain a heading. But if for any reason the aircraft yaws, intentionally or unintentionally, the computer backs off.

 

this system has nothing to do with the optional attitude control. It sounded like it was also different than scas.

Edited September 22, 2022 by skypickle

[mbenatto]

6 hours ago, Amarok_73 said:

2. IHADSS mode is bouncing when switching, when up, then it goes through transision mode to the cruise, when switching to the back, it skips through hover to the bob-up mode. It happens only when live CP/G is present.

I'm not able to cycle through the modes anymore. Mode select switch seems to do nothing. Firstly I noticed it got unmapped, after remapping it keep stuck in hover mode even in forward flight.

This patch seems to have gotten Apache in a weird place. I experienced the right spin in hold modes as related and also sometimes I spins to the left in the ground, after engine is started and is in idle, without any anti-torque input (in fact I need to give it right pedal to stay stray and then counter with left when given it more torque)

[Amarok_73]

2 hours ago, skypickle said:

There’s another thread where some of the Apache consultants were describing the behavior of the real aircraft. There is a computer which keeps the heading by adjusting the tail rotor for small deviations. However, if the heading deviates more than 2 degrees then the computer thinks you are trying to turn and stops ‘helping’. This behavior is intentional and almost eliminates the need for constant boot input to maintain a heading. But if for any reason the aircraft yaws, intentionally or unintentionally, the computer backs off.

 

this system has nothing to do with the optional attitude control. It sounded like it was also different than scas.

 

I understand, but current behavior is far from what I'd expect in situation, when the SCAS is disconnected by pedal input. I have just got into stable hover (as a side note, it's pretty easy after recent patch), no foot input at all, and then suddenly _very_ sharp right rudder appears, causing almost unstoppable turn. I have not had the controls helper on the screen, so I can't tell now if there was visible input on yaw axle, or it was still in the position set for the hover.
Speaking about controls helper, I've also noticed, that now the collective inputs are very quivering.

[DOG]

3 hours ago, skypickle said:

There’s another thread where some of the Apache consultants were describing the behavior of the real aircraft. There is a computer which keeps the heading by adjusting the tail rotor for small deviations. However, if the heading deviates more than 2 degrees then the computer thinks you are trying to turn and stops ‘helping’. This behavior is intentional and almost eliminates the need for constant boot input to maintain a heading. But if for any reason the aircraft yaws, intentionally or unintentionally, the computer backs off.

 

this system has nothing to do with the optional attitude control. It sounded like it was also different than scas.

 

what I experienced was when I was in hover already and my yawing was 0 i was heading the exact same direction but i was changing speed i think it was around 7 knots i went a bit faster than 7 KIAS and that is when the nose went right hard and I did not even touch the pedals once it was similar to what u experience at around 40  knots when transitioning from hover to horizontal flight

[BIGNEWY]

please include track replays showing the issues

also let us know what devices you are using and what your special options settings are. 

thanks

[placsea]

 

Is this the YAW Issue are you talking about OP? Apparently seems to be when wind hits the aircraft in a certain direction. 

[pii]

18 hours ago, DOG said:

under some conditions you don't need left pedal to hover anymore 

I can confirm this

[Amarok_73]

9 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

please include track replays showing the issues

Here it is. I've added little wind to see if it causes turning the heli upwind, but it seems that this is not that case.
Yaw issues.trk
The HOTAS I am using is Logitech G940.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Amarok_73

[Amarok_73]

Another minor issue implemented in last patch is related to VIS button. Both the IHADSS and VIS issues can be observed on attached track.
IHADSS behaviour is shown as is correct before the live CP/G joins the cockpit, and how it works after join.

server-20220922-210054.trk

[Raptor9]

Please create separate bug reports for different bugs. It makes it easier for the community managers to track which issues have been reported and such. Thanks.

[Vins]

I had a case with tads that it was half pixelated.

I

 

[DOG]

6 hours ago, placsea said:

 

Is this the YAW Issue are you talking about OP? Apparently seems to be when wind hits the aircraft in a certain direction. 

yes yes yes this is EXACTLY the thing  I experienced.

52 minutes ago, Vins said:

I had a case with tads that it was half pixelated.

I

 

huum the clouds were looking like that on FLIR for me even on the last patch

[simo-dj]

Il 22/9/2022 at 06:27, mbenatto ha scritto:

I'm not able to cycle through the modes anymore. Mode select switch seems to do nothing. Firstly I noticed it got unmapped, after remapping it keep stuck in hover mode even in forward flight.

This patch seems to have gotten Apache in a weird place. I experienced the right spin in hold modes as related and also sometimes I spins to the left in the ground, after engine is started and is in idle, without any anti-torque input (in fact I need to give it right pedal to stay stray and then counter with left when given it more torque)

I had too to remap buttons for symbology mode. Don't know what happened but after last patch throttle buttons for this function were blank in adjust control windows.

Plus, i have the same hover issues as reported by other memebers here

[Derbroomaster]

I've experienced the yaw challenges described above, as well as a disruption in how keyboard inputs work for the Man Trk X and Y axes, and laser detents (first and second)

I use an x-box controller via JoyToKey. The key inputs are being detected (I can see the knobs/buttons functioning in conjunction with my button presses), but no action occurs on the screen. The Man Trk axes are mapped to WASD and the LRFD detents are mapped to "." and "X"

Track included. Note how little left rudder is needed for taking off.

Apache Challenges 9-23-22.trk