a track would help ACLS - Unable to ride hand-free.

[Amarok_73]

I'd like to ask what can be the reason, that I am unable to go fully automatic down to the deck when riding the ACLS.
the ALS is set, Mode 1 is visible on it, tadpole is on HUD, the FPM is in line with it, I am trying to CPL autopilot to P/R, and nothing happens... What did I forgot about?

[Zodiacc]

Make sure you have your datalink is ON.After ACLS update there are 2 pages of datalink you need to press it again to show second page.However you shouldnt get tad pole if you dont have your datalink turned-on but it might be some "DCS thing"

Overall check.

Datalink is ON at correct channel

Box "TACAN" & "ICLS" if available and ofc "ACL" itself.

Configured landing and ATC mode is activated

Check ACLS page on the left when its ready to hand-off select CPL. ( It should between 4-6 mile )

Confirm you have P/R CPL on the HUD

 

Another thing is that make sure AI gives you CASE III Recovery.

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Zodiacc

[Q3ark]

3 hours ago, Amarok_73 said:

I'd like to ask what can be the reason, that I am unable to go fully automatic down to the deck when riding the ACLS.
the ALS is set, Mode 1 is visible on it, tadpole is on HUD, the FPM is in line with it, I am trying to CPL autopilot to P/R, and nothing happens... What did I forgot about?

Did you remember to activate the auto throttle? That’s all I can think of.

[Amarok_73]

For both replies answer is yes - I do that, just forgot to mention as it is so automatic, but Mode 1 on display answers it anyway. And yes, I am trying to fly according to real procedures, so I am using the ATC at the first landing attempt, then in the case of bolter, I am going into the manual control.
Anyway, it seems, that I do everything in order, inferring from lack of such replies, I assume there's no any bug pending related to this subject, so... I need to check in details my moves.
Thank You for the information @Zodiacc and @Q3ark!

 

[Recluse]

Question: Single Player or Multiplayer? Seen a lot of reports that ACLS is problematic/doesn't work in Multiplayer.

[Amarok_73]

6 minutes ago, Recluse said:

Question: Single Player or Multiplayer? Seen a lot of reports that ACLS is problematic/doesn't work in Multiplayer.

Both, usually I fly the multiplayer, but just now I've decided to prepare clean mission and try it in single. Effect the same. Here's the track for anyone patient enough.
And yes - I know, I've botched a little the procedure regarding the altitude and speed keeping, but it's like sixth CASE 3 landing today and I am quite tired already...
test ACLS.miz

[Recluse]

You posted the mission not the .trk BTW.. but I am going to try and fly it and let you know if I have success

[Amarok_73]

7 minutes ago, Recluse said:

You posted the mission not the .trk BTW.. but I am going to try and fly it and let you know if I have success

Indeed... track is then here.
ACLS problem.trk

 

[Recluse]

I just flew it. Despite screwing up royally at 7 miles, I managed to ride it down hands free. No problems with the ACLS.  Caught a 1 wire which was odd for the ACLS and forgot to throttle up, but I always seem to get EG no matter what, and it was just a test of the system, so I'll take it. My TRK is attached. I commenced a minute early

Heh.. now that I think about it, I may never have retracted my speedbrakes when I went to slow down to 300 at the very beginning... OOPS!  Was flying silent without my headphones on, and not in VR as usual so I was out of my comfort zone

Recluse_ACLS.trk

Edited October 11, 2022 by Recluse

[Recluse]

Not sure why your CPL never went on. I could see you mashing the button on the .trk, so you never transitioned to CPL P/R.

You were previously CPLed at other parts of the approach, so I don't know why it didn't take. Have to watch more closely again.

 

[Amarok_73]

Yes, I am "spamming" with CPL when ACL RDY/ Mode 1 appears, but every time i press CPL it causes message "Auto Pilot" to appear...
When flying on Tacan, he have no problem to keep on it.

[Amarok_73]

FINALLY!

I made it, this time I verified that Anti Skid is off, but most important difference from my previous attempts was using full flaps not the half...

 

[Recluse]

Just now, Amarok_73 said:

FINALLY!

I made it, this time I verified that Anti Skid is off, but most important difference from my previous attempts was using full flaps not the half...

 

Ahhh.. I noticed that you put half flaps down very early, but I didn't pay attention to see that Full Flaps never went down.. Good catch..

[Amarok_73]

Just now, Recluse said:

Good catch..

But indeed it means that full flaps is one of requirements for hands free landing?

[Recluse]

3 minutes ago, Amarok_73 said:

But indeed it means that full flaps is one of requirements for hands free landing?

I don't know, but I can only guess that in order for ACLS to take control, the aircraft has to be in the full carrier landing configuration with flaps full down. I guess I will try it with half flaps and see if the same thing happens to me. I always put my flaps down full so I don't even think about it.  (of course I always check Anti-Skid too, which I didn't do this time). Lately I am used to taking off from the carrier so Anti-Skid and Hook Bypass are already set correctly when I land. LOL.. Gotta follow the checklist!

Edited October 11, 2022 by Recluse

[Amarok_73]

5 minutes ago, Recluse said:

I am used to taking off from the carrier so Anti-Skid and Hook Bypass are already set correctly when I land.

Same here, In F-18 I am operating only from the sea, so on the multiplayer mission where I was struggling with this issue I've had not to mess with Anti-Skid, but then I observed on Your track, that You did it, what remind me, that when starting in the air, this is one of necessary steps.

[Recluse]

As I mentioned at the start, Multiplayer might be a whole different animal due to the way the ACLS works with other humans and AI around. At least you know it works under "ideal" conditions. The one time I tried in in MP, it didn't go well...but it could have been a lot of things besides ACLS wonkiness.

[Amarok_73]

Yeah, I've learned this lesson already long time ago, that any serious testing have to be done in fully controllable environment, where influence of secondary factors is minimized.

[Rescue]

On 10/11/2022 at 10:45 PM, Amarok_73 said:

But indeed it means that full flaps is one of requirements for hands free landing?

Yes absolutely.

 

Full flaps is required for a "normal" Case 3 landing. I don't recall rn if it's also required for the ATC Approach mode to work but ACLS is a combination of many systems working together (TCN, CPL Autopilot, ATC, Datalink, etc).

Additionally: To land with half flaps is only allowed in some circumstances when something isn't working right. And if something isn't working right you would fly the plane by yourself and not using a bunch of system that lands your plane by itself.

 

Greetings 

[Amarok_73]

37 minutes ago, Rescue said:

Yes absolutely.

Roger that.
I am just used to land on half flaps, as speed ~136 kts seems to me to be just too slow, but I can change this habit. 

 

[Deano87]

20 minutes ago, Amarok_73 said:

Roger that.
I am just used to land on half flaps, as speed ~136 kts seems to me to be just too slow, but I can change this habit. 

 

When you're trying to land an aircraft on a moving piece of tarmac that's only about the length of 2 football fields... you wan't to be going as slow as possible

Full flaps is normal for landing unless its a strong crosswind or very gusty conditions when landing at a normal airbase.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Deano87

[Amarok_73]

1 minute ago, Deano87 said:

you wan't to be going as slow as possible

I see it different - live fast, die young.
Of course I know this rule, but for some (unknown to me) reason, it's really easier for me to land properly with half than full flaps.

[CaptHawk]

On 10/13/2022 at 6:51 AM, Amarok_73 said:

I see it different - live fast, die young.
Of course I know this rule, but for some (unknown to me) reason, it's really easier for me to land properly with half than full flaps.

The AirBoss wants to see you after you complete shutdown...

[Amarok_73]

16 hours ago, CaptHawk said:

The AirBoss wants to see you after you complete shutdown...

"Wash day tomorrow? Nothing clean, right?"

Edited October 27, 2022 by Amarok_73

[CH4Pz]

I get the same issue whenever i use it in any mission that has AI or players (so basically everysingle one of them except test missions), when i engage CPL i get CPL HDG on the hud, not CPL P/R, been like this since launch. Anyone know how to stop CPL HDG?