Best Fox 2 missile

[MysteriousHonza]

On 11/25/2022 at 9:06 PM, IvanK said:

Historical snippet R530K:

The 4.0 sec arming time was a safety thing. Previously the fuse arming was complete at 2.5sec. In a large number of Missile shoots the R530 would detonate right on the RF influence fuse arming, given it was a slow missile at 2.5 secs it was essential still right in front of you. This resulted on a few occasions in the firing aircraft getting damaged by the Frag right in front of it. A lot of work on the fuse was done  and the arming time pushed out to 4 sec with the aim of getting the R530 further away from the firer at fuse arming. It still was a precocious missile.

 

Good, that part is right in DCS, managed to blast myself down by pressing trigger twice by mistake.... 

[Harlikwin]

On 11/26/2022 at 3:14 PM, DJBiscuit1818 said:

 

Given that the R530 is a short-range missile (with an IR variant that cannot provide range information to the guidance package), and that the allowable control deflection increases as the boost phase burns (and thus as the missile speed increases), I think it can reasonably be inferred that the restriction is based on aerodynamic stability considerations, rather than kinematic ones. As such, that is probably where our derivation/guessing of the guidance restrictions ought to begin.

 

I'm sure its aerodynamic stability. Same reason for the .5sec delay in the early sidewinders, they needed to be sure it was supersonic before unlocking the control surfaces. 

[Thinder]

On 10/17/2022 at 2:24 PM, cmbaviator said:

hello Guys

 

I'd like to know what's the best FOX2 in terms of range, maneuvering, flare sensitivity  for the ECW server ie, JULI not accepted.

 

Does the 530 IR have the same Range as the EM variant and does the 530 IR have further heat signature than the sidewinder or matra I

 

thanks

I can see this is a game...

I serviced those two variants of the 530 at BA-102 Dijon, they were used by Mirage IIIE in my time. The AAMs were mediocre, regardless of the variant, same corps, different head, their performances were limited and reliability abysmal due to the way they were stored (pressurised container) technology used and built quality (electronics).

The 530 was already integrated to the Mirage III C, here one aicraft of the Escadron de Chasse 1/2 Cigognes, Dijon AFB (BA-102), later the squadron was equiped with the IIIE and the 2000-5F.

In all its service life, this AAM scored only ONE kill (with the Israeli air Force), its failure rate was very high.

France launched a program for its successor as early as the technology was available and they came up with the Super 530F first used with the Mirage F1, to be honnest, the Super 530D was perhaps the best available at its time, with acceleration, top speed and interception envelops above average.

In the case of the 550, it is a totally different story, it is a dogfighting IR AAM, unlike the AIM-9 which was first designed in view of intercepting bombers.

The 550 has a larger diameter, a shorter range but is more maneuverable than the contemporary AIM-9s, the Magic II variant had much larger firing envelop (all aspect).

I was planing to buy the Mirage F1, (did not happen due to credit card issues, not funds), but If I scored a kill with a 530, I'll know it is much probably nowhere near as realistic as it should be, chances are it would either fail or miss in real life, but fired withing its parameters (range), the Magic II would be best for a turning fight than most other IR AAMS of its time.

If you want to translate this doc, you will find some little known informations on those AAMs.

LES MISSILES AIR-AIR DE LA DEUXIÈME GÉNÉRATION

Centre des hautes études de l'armement. Département d'histoire de l'armement. Comité pour l'histoire de l'aéronautique. Paris

COMAERO

https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb42381212q

Official website for archive on the subject of French weaponry, the document needed for this article are not all-public.

 

Edited December 1, 2022 by Thinder

[HawkEXO]

Dumb question.   Which way do you set the selector switch for Magics vs Sidewiders.    Is M for Magic and A for Sidewinder?   Struggling to find this in the manual.

[609_Relentov]

10 minutes ago, HawkEXO said:

Dumb question.   Which way do you set the selector switch for Magics vs Sidewiders.    Is M for Magic and A for Sidewinder?   Struggling to find this in the manual.

Yes: MATRA 550 or Sidewinder missile switch - ON/OFF for M (R550) / A (AIM-9), based on your IR missile loadout

[HawkEXO]

Thank you

[IvanK]

To be sure

The Switch is pushed forward to the ON position for both R550 or AIM9. This is a missile prep switch Allows cooling (if available) and certain power applications to the missile carried on the tips.

The "M" and "A" labels just mean ON or OFF as in numerous switches in the F1

Image below from South African F1CZ with English labels. ... M= ON , A = OFF

[609_Relentov]

Ah, thanks for clearing it up, IvanK, I'll have to change my kneeboard to move it to the up/M position to cool either missile type.  I must have miss-interpreted what I saw in the manual... there's nothing to describe what each of the two positions does.  By the name of the switch (MATRA 550 OR SIDEWINDER MISSILE SWITCH), it seemed like each position (M or A) had a different function.

[Sarge55]

M=Marche which is French for on ( among other meanings as well)

A=Arret which is French for off (or stop, etc)

In case you didn’t know.