McCallaway Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Hello, This happens only in multiplayer, when connecting to a server. NOT in solo or on a local server. - F/A-18C, 60 Nm hot on an SA-2 site, FL350, M0.8. The S from the P19 radar shows on the RWR, and on the HARM TOO page. - SA-2 site is turned of using enableEmission(false) - S disappears from the RWR, but stays on the HARM TOO page (indefinitely) - If fired the HARM will track the P19 I'm not sure if it is a bug but it sure looks like it. At least, I don't see any good reason why it should be different between solo and multi. Is there a reason in real life why the HARM seeker should "see" radars that the RWR won't ? Toutes les grandes personnes ont d'abord été des enfants, mais peu d'entre elles s'en souviennent. Three Point Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCallaway Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) Hello, bumping my own report here because I think it is quite an important thing to know. HARM defense in Skynet IADS is not doing *anything at all* in multiplayer because of this. HARMs will always kill radars even when they are supposed to be turned off. Edited December 17, 2022 by McCallaway Toutes les grandes personnes ont d'abord été des enfants, mais peu d'entre elles s'en souviennent. Three Point Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 2, 2023 ED Team Share Posted January 2, 2023 please include a track replay example Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCallaway Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 Ok wilco. In the meantime here is a screenshot with a search radar showing on the HARM display and not on the RWR. It was done back in november. Toutes les grandes personnes ont d'abord été des enfants, mais peu d'entre elles s'en souviennent. Three Point Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo_Turk Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 1:11 PM, BIGNEWY said: please include a track replay example I've tested this. At first, I deactivated sa 15 group via using deactivate group trigger, it dropped from EW and harm display page, but I noticed that there is a bit delay between ew and harm page. harm page was reacting slower like 5 sec. after dropping, hand off square was still exist on the hud and I was able to hand off and fire the harm(so there is a bug about h-off square). harm went random though, didn't follow and didn't hit the sa15. At second, I put sa15 in green state via flag trigger. I had same results but this time harm went to my designated waypoint I guess(wp wasn't on sa15, it was close but at different point) . It flew over the wp. didn't hit the sa 15. ignore the other units etc in the mission, it is my experimental mission. Tor deactivated.trk Tor greenstate.trk deneme.miz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCallaway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Share Posted January 4, 2023 Please find attached two tracks and the mission used. Again please realize that the problem is only present in multiplayer, and when connected to a distant server - not in solo and not on a self-hosted server. First track is demonstrating the issue (radar turned off with enableEmission(false)) Second track is for control : same mission file, but in this test the radar is turned off with setAi(false) instead. Here is what is happening : SA2 is ahead 50 nm and on the rough location of WP1. Just the default DCS template dropped in the editor. First track - setEmission(false) - HARMs kill the Flat Face - We can see the [S] on the HARM TOO page (LMFD) and the RWR (RMFD) as is expected. - Trigger enableEmission(false) on the group. - [S] comes off the RWR but stays on the HARM TOO (indefinitely). - Launch 2*HARM in PB on WP1 (SA2 location) with 122. - HARMs track and kills the Flat Face. Second track - setAi(false) - HARMs miss the Flat Face - We can see the [S] on the HARM TOO page (LMFD) and the RWR (RMFD) as is expected. - Trigger setAi(false) on the group. - [S] comes off the RWR and the HARM TOO. - Launch 2*HARM in PB on WP1 (SA2 location) with 122. - Both HARMs miss. TestEnableEmission.miz TestEnableEmission-20230104-114128_emissionoff.trk TestEnableEmission-20230104-114701_aioff.trk 1 Toutes les grandes personnes ont d'abord été des enfants, mais peu d'entre elles s'en souviennent. Three Point Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foka Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 On 1/3/2023 at 12:17 PM, McCallaway said: Ok wilco. In the meantime here is a screenshot with a search radar showing on the HARM display and not on the RWR. It was done back in november. Here you have two search radars on RWR null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCallaway Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 These are two additional EWR not the Flat Face used for testing. They won't ever show as [S] on the HARM TOO. Anyway the tracks attached above were done with a simplified mission with only the SA2 and no EWR. Toutes les grandes personnes ont d'abord été des enfants, mais peu d'entre elles s'en souviennent. Three Point Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foka Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 15 hours ago, McCallaway said: These are two additional EWR not the Flat Face used for testing. They won't ever show as [S] on the HARM TOO. Maybe this will explain https://forum.dcs.world/topic/308056-harm-cannot-target-ewr/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCallaway Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 38 minutes ago, Foka said: Maybe this will explain https://forum.dcs.world/topic/308056-harm-cannot-target-ewr/ Thanks I very well know that. That's precisely what I meant by "They won't ever show as [S] on the HARM TOO". The point is : these EWR have nothing to do with the issue I am pointing at here. Please just ignore them. @BIGNEWY if you didn't see tracks have been provided as requested. 1 Toutes les grandes personnes ont d'abord été des enfants, mais peu d'entre elles s'en souviennent. Three Point Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCallaway Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 A future release of Skynet IADS will get back to using setAI for HARM defence. This will greatly reduce the impacts of this DCS issue. Still hoping this will get acknowledge by ED. Also note that even though this thread was move in the F/A-18 section, it seems to be a more general problem with the HARM. The same problem can be encountered in the F-16 at least. Toutes les grandes personnes ont d'abord été des enfants, mais peu d'entre elles s'en souviennent. Three Point Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted February 13, 2023 ED Team Share Posted February 13, 2023 we will take a look thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Solution BIGNEWY Posted February 13, 2023 ED Team Solution Share Posted February 13, 2023 This has been reproduced and reported by the team Thank you 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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