Pico 4: how to set it up for DCS?

[Thinder]

2 hours ago, ECTAE said:

I currently have the RIFTS and I am debating whether to buy a pico4 or wait for the next META, is the difference between a RiftS, with the SS at 2.0, and a pico4 much? I've been flying alone for a year on monitor even having 5800x3d and 4090, but in multiplayer in very populated servers there is no way to move or riftS, usually fall much fps. But lately I'm debating between waiting for the next generation of viewers or take the plunge and buy a pico 4.

Thanks for your help.

 

 

The Pico4 is a good pick for anyone wanting to play VR on a budget, it is a mid-range headset and works rather well as such.

The problem is support because it is new and neither DCS nor Steam truly support it fully, with time it will become a viable replacement for the G2 which is no longer produced and there is little difference between the two; the G2 had a slightly better clarity from its hot spot but it is very small, whether the Pico had an overall clarity allowing to see details without turning your head.

With proper settings it is nearly ideal for playing DCS, I couldn't wait for Pimax to release their Xstal and saved the money to send chocolate to my family for X-Mass and treat myself as well with a new RAM kit (Cl14 64GB 3600), I'll see in the future what come out, looking for similar-to-better visual performances but increased FoV.

I'd say that I don't think that there will be a significant improvement in visual quality from the next generation of headsets, the Pico4 can last you for a few years, time for the technology to get cheaper and it will fill the bill all that time, but that's only my opinion.

 

[KoN]

2 hours ago, ECTAE said:

I currently have the RIFTS and I am debating whether to buy a pico4 or wait for the next META, is the difference between a RiftS, with the SS at 2.0, and a pico4 much? I've been flying alone for a year on monitor even having 5800x3d and 4090, but in multiplayer in very populated servers there is no way to move or riftS, usually fall much fps. But lately I'm debating between waiting for the next generation of viewers or take the plunge and buy a pico 4.

Thanks for your help.

 

 

I would wait . Pico4 is not wired its wireless or you MOD it with USB-tethering with Virtual Desktop .

I would buy a pico3 link from Amazon and test if you don't like return back before 30 days,  or buy the Pico4 and test . Make sure you can return . I bought two pico4 and had Mic problems and sound problems . Returned and bought the link instead very happy . DP mode at 4k . 

[RealDCSpilot]

3 hours ago, Thinder said:

I mentioned this in a disclaimer saying something like "don't pay attention about the FPS it's NOT the game FPS but screen recording of the replay".

Where?? Please don't clutter the thread with any more misinformation or missing information. I hope you get the point that Pico Streaming Assistant and Virtual Desktop are 2 separate ways to do VR streaming.

@ECTAE a 5800X3D and a 4090 are a perfect combo for VR at 3Kx3K per eye. If you have a Wifi5 or better router in the same room, you should be able to run a Pico 4 at it's best capabilities that will definitely surpass the Rift S in visual quality.

[Thinder]

7 minutes ago, RealDCSpilot said:

Where?? Please don't clutter the thread with any more misinformation or missing information. I hope you get the point that Pico Streaming Assistant and Virtual Desktop are 2 separate ways to do VR streaming.

@ECTAE a 5800X3D and a 4090 are a perfect combo for VR at 3Kx3K per eye. If you have a Wifi5 or better router in the same room, you should be able to run a Pico 4 at it's best capabilities that will definitely surpass the Rift S in visual quality.

Get lost, it's not my fault if you're feeling insecure and need to resort to character assassination plus other attitude driven B.S to make your points. I'm not one of your groupies. Copy?

You're now in my ignore list, as I said the day I need an opinion I know where to ask, you're not one of them. Bye.

[crispy12]

For what it's worth, I don't have Pico Streaming Assistant installed and I am using Virtual Desktop. I works for me by both SteamVR and Oculus API.

[Thinder]

32 minutes ago, crispy12 said:

For what it's worth, I don't have Pico Streaming Assistant installed and I am using Virtual Desktop. I works for me by both SteamVR and Oculus API.

Whatever works for you. I haven't tried this solution but what I was suggested by all the specialists of the forum and none of them actually managed to recover the loss of visual quality I obtained before the update...

As for me misinforming people... Funny one could think that I would try to get people to believe I ran DCS at 1200FPS with near maxed-out in-game settings...

Disclaimer

I note that while I am accused of posting misinformation, the guy who claims that haven't replied to my question, did his solutions recovered the quality lost after the update? The answer is NO, and he explains why it was impossible to be done earlier in this topic, the more apps, the lower the quality...

I also noticed that despite some improvement in native DCS settings now, it is still not as good as it was before the update and at the time of the first test, I wasn't able to use PCI_E1 with the loss associated with PCI_E2. End of debate, DCS screwed up and corrected it but it's not as good as what it was then.

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Thinder

[RealDCSpilot]

Are you kidding?? Are we supposed to look and search elsewhere in this forum to find any context you are talking about? Buried in a post from mid january in /General Off-Topic Discussion/ PC Hardware and Related Software ??? Goodness...
And what are you talking about a loss of visual quality by an update?? There was no such thing introduced with the latest updates. Most of the time i absolutely don't get what you are talking about, besides some strange obsession with derailing threads. What's pretty obvious, with problems you might have, is self-inflicted user errors.

Edited March 2, 2023 by RealDCSpilot

[Lange_666]

Time to put a lid on this topic.
It would be nice if the topic starter (me) could lock it so you children could go fight somewhere else.

[crispy12]

Today I learnt:

From VD Discord: You can launch games that aren't part of your Oculus or Steam library by right-clicking the Streamer icon in the system tray, selecting "Launch Game..." and locating the executable. Alternatively, you can inject games through a batch file (.bat) by using: "C:\Program Files\Virtual Desktop Streamer\VirtualDesktop.Streamer.exe" "[ExecutablePath]"

Works perfectly. Less clicks FTW!

Now all I do I press the Pico power button, use the side buttons to start Library/Virtual Desktop and it auto connects to PC. Use mouse to click the bat file on my desktop.

[Timmy51]

Please correct me if I'm wrong: Do both Pico 4 SA and VD not have OpenXR runtime, but they rely on either the Oculus app or SteamVR to get already processed frames (similar to WMR for SteamVR)? Is there any news if they're going to implement it themselves?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

1. Yes, but only OpenXR for SteamVR can be used

2. No ides.

[RealDCSpilot]

10 hours ago, crispy12 said:

Today I learnt:

From VD Discord: You can launch games that aren't part of your Oculus or Steam library by right-clicking the Streamer icon in the system tray, selecting "Launch Game..." and locating the executable. Alternatively, you can inject games through a batch file (.bat) by using: "C:\Program Files\Virtual Desktop Streamer\VirtualDesktop.Streamer.exe" "[ExecutablePath]"

Works perfectly. Less clicks FTW!

Now all I do I press the Pico power button, use the side buttons to start Library/Virtual Desktop and it auto connects to PC. Use mouse to click the bat file on my desktop.

Yes, should work for most situations. But for some games it's safer to make sure SteamVR is already running before starting them from any location. (This way you'll prevent SteamVR initializing later then the game expects it up and running. Simply use the shortest way as long as it works. In a situation where it doesn't work anymore, you still have the "longer" route as an alternative.)

Edited March 3, 2023 by RealDCSpilot

[KoN]

On 3/2/2023 at 7:23 PM, crispy12 said:

Today I learnt:

From VD Discord: You can launch games that aren't part of your Oculus or Steam library by right-clicking the Streamer icon in the system tray, selecting "Launch Game..." and locating the executable. Alternatively, you can inject games through a batch file (.bat) by using: "C:\Program Files\Virtual Desktop Streamer\VirtualDesktop.Streamer.exe" "[ExecutablePath]"

Works perfectly. Less clicks FTW!

Now all I do I press the Pico power button, use the side buttons to start Library/Virtual Desktop and it auto connects to PC. Use mouse to click the bat file on my desktop.

Shame we cant add games to the stream Library that comes up in VR . 

Fully working OpenXR in DCS via Force Openxr in shortcut . 

Edited March 4, 2023 by KoN

[Timmy51]

What is your latency? Mine is between 45 to 70 and I'm wondering why it's so high

Edited March 8, 2023 by Timmy51

[crispy12]

Anyone have success running MT with Virtual Desktop on Pico 4?

Mine crashes to desktop when launching via "Launch Game...". It starts SteamVR when launching this way, usually my SteamVR does not open when using this method. 

[RealDCSpilot]

@crispy12 Yes, runs nice and no crashes so far. Just take the casual route, make a shortcut with the bin-mt path to DCS.exe and with the OpenXR command line. Start VD as usual, start SteamVR, click desktop mode on SteamVR's dashboard and launch game via the shortcut.
Keep in mind that DCS is in a big transitioning phase (from ST to MT, OpenVR and OculusVR to OpenXR, from DirectX11 to Vulkan...). At the end it will be running OpenXR, Multi-Threading, Vulkan and DLSS and so on by default.

Edited March 11, 2023 by RealDCSpilot

[bpremus]

I see big improvement in multiplayer with PICO4, but running with --force_OpenXR gives me ~5 fps less than running without command line option (I am simply clicking on an dcs mt icon, its starts steam vr with open xr, ctrl + f1 i can see xr menu) 

[Kickdrum]

You won't believe me, but I swear to you, I am on:

an old AMD FX 8350, 24 Gb RAM, with a GTX 1660 Ti GPU, 1Tb ssd

 

I hooked up the Pico 4 last night and ran it over Virtal Desktop, it worked. I spent some time in free flight and for the first time ever, flew in VR.

 

On this dinosaur.  

Edited March 13, 2023 by Kickdrum

[crispy12]

On 3/13/2023 at 3:24 PM, Kickdrum said:

You won't believe me, but I swear to you, I am on:

an old AMD FX 8350, 24 Gb RAM, with a GTX 1660 Ti GPU, 1Tb ssd

 

I hooked up the Pico 4 last night and ran it over Virtal Desktop, it worked. I spent some time in free flight and for the first time ever, flew in VR.

 

On this dinosaur.  

 

Still getting CTD on my Pico with VD, when trying to run DCS MT

Anyone else have this issue?
I removed Saved Games DCS folder, did a full clean and repair
Updated my GPU drivers
Crash at game loading screen. Once every 10 times I get to load the menu and it's super smooth in the Mig 29 VR menu, but it crashes when I try to launch a mission.

Using Quest 2, I get constant 90 FPS with DCS MT

Edited March 15, 2023 by crispy12

[propeler]

@RealDCSpilot

May be you could help. I'm trying to setup Tethered USB on Pico but without a success. 

I've managed to enable tethering on Pico side:

And second ethernet connection is visible on Windows side:

 

But no connection to to network visible on Pico side:

And VD disconnects immediately when turn of WIFI.

The same with ethernet usb-c adapter. When connecteed to Pico it does not see connected ethernet. Android mobile phone see it immediately on conection by the way. What could be a reason?

[RealDCSpilot]

@propeler Is your USB network connection also set to be a private network in Windows?

[yolandabecool]

В 15.03.2023 в 12:20, propeler сказал:

And VD disconnects immediately when turn of WIFI.

1) Start usb tethering on pico

2) Wait until windows shows new network, accept it

3) Open VD streamer on PC and VD app on Pico (after enabling USB tethering)

4) After VD inside pico connected to your desktop, disable Wi-Fi and it should work

Edited March 17, 2023 by yolandabecool

[Crispy 1-1]

Hi, 
do you think Ryzen 5800X3D paired with RTX 3090 and 32GB RAM will handle DCS on Pico 4?
I heard somewhere what Pico is worth only if you have 4090 but maybe some of you tried it on simmilar hardware to mine.

I am torn between choosing Pico 4 or Reverb G2

Thx in advance

[crispy12]

16 hours ago, Crispy 1-1 said:

Hi, 
do you think Ryzen 5800X3D paired with RTX 3090 and 32GB RAM will handle DCS on Pico 4?
I heard somewhere what Pico is worth only if you have 4090 but maybe some of you tried it on simmilar hardware to mine.

I am torn between choosing Pico 4 or Reverb G2

Thx in advance

Pretty sure that it'll work VERY well.

[Oellness]

Am 20.3.2023 um 12:25 schrieb crispy12:

Pretty sure that it'll work VERY well.

I'm torn between a used 3090 or a new 7900xtx.

I have also a 5800x3d with 64GB RAM and a Pico4.