noted Bombers!

[Silver_Dragon]

4 hours ago, Slippa said:

There’s hopefully a Corsair on the way.  Guaranteed to start another thread of whining and frustration at the lack of something comparable to fight with. It can’t be easy trying to build and fill out the thing as well as keeping people sweet. I s’pose we all have to be patient. Like super-elite special forces patient, which I’m not and don’t have time for .

Besides the wish for bombers, I wanna know why I can get two marques of FW190s, two marques of Ponies, Two different Jugs but only one marque of the Spit. It’s an absolute disgrace and everyone should hang there head in… oh, I think DD Fenrir explained how the modelling would be difficult or something but grrrr, still, I want em all.

1. The F4U-1 Corsair coming by M3 3rd Party with a pacific assets pack.
2. ED working on a F6F Hellcat, and WW2 Marinas map, with WW2 BoB modules coming after, confirmed by Nick Grey from your aircrafts on Duxford.
3. Octopus-G Working on La-7, waiting ED get the propper system review aproval.
   
   Show on ED official video

Edited September 11, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[Gunfreak]

4 hours ago, Slippa said:

Gutting to read NineLine confirm our only hope for any WWII Bombers is Scooby and the team that are working on the Lanc. Thank God they are. I’d sooner have news I don’t like but is honest than hollow promises to keep me happy though. Glad of that at least.

There’s a fair bit about EDs approach to the WWII side of DCS that seemed odd to me at first though. When I read that most, if not all of that stuff was bought up as a kind of salvage after-thought job, I can see how it doesn’t seem to be bothered about much. That leaves us to rely on well wishers and third-party Devs to enlighten our WWII World. The ED WWII team sound like an elite special forces unit. So elite and so top secret that you wouldn’t know they existed. There isn’t a lot of evidence that they do, vague footprints on long forgotten trails. In production and maintenance terms, Castle Bromwich or Woolston they ain’t. In reality, I bet the team consists of one or two vintage warbird enthusiasts with silver hair, a PC and maybe a dog, a kettle and a pot of tea. That ‘head of WWII operations’ is probably far too busy flying about in the Eagle or Hornet to be messing about modelling eighty odd year old kites anyway. Hope both man and dog are kept well provided with biscuits and frequent walks all the same. BOB at Duxford next week, woof. 

There’s hopefully a Corsair on the way.  Guaranteed to start another thread of whining and frustration at the lack of something comparable to fight with. It can’t be easy trying to build and fill out the thing as well as keeping people sweet. I s’pose we all have to be patient. Like super-elite special forces patient, which I’m not and don’t have time for .

Besides the wish for bombers, I wanna know why I can get two marques of FW190s, two marques of Ponies, Two different Jugs but only one marque of the Spit. It’s an absolute disgrace and everyone should hang there head in… oh, I think DD Fenrir explained how the modelling would be difficult or something but grrrr, still, I want em all.

Corsair will come with AI Zero(unknown if it will come at release) it will also come with some Japanese ground units.

So there will be more too shoot at with the Corsair.

[Slippa]

I'm looking forward to any and all the old musty birds. Corsair should be great. If we can have a Hellcat, can we also have a Wildcat please? I was just reading about something Grumman made called a Wildcatfish, I kid you not. Could have one of those too, why not?  (Time+£$)

At a small airshow a few months back I spent the afternoon with three fellas who came and found a seat at our table. Before long the old fella, almost 80, pointed at the Harvard in front of us and said "I learnt to fly in one of those". My ears pricked up and we got chatting. He learnt to fly in Canada. When he told me where I recognised the place and said he must be RAF like my Grandad. Turned out he was of course, he used to be on Sabres and different jets, told me about his training a bit, lovely fella.

I don't stop talking at the best of times (no comment) and proceeded to bend his ears on all types of things as we watched the fighters display. My Grandad flew and some parts of the family had everyone working or operating from the airfield. My missus chimed in telling them I flew a Sim, Spits and Mossies etc at home all the time and I admitted to once spending almost all night going round in circles on the Carrier trying to hook up a Tomcat. He found it hilarious when she grassed me up for losing it over the side a few times and the ol fella started telling me about his friend, that owns the fighter collection, who had been working on a restoration of something but obviously, when he mentioned The Fighter Collection I was a bit gobsmacked and we started on about the sim. I told him I'd been a fan of Ray Hannah (The Maestro) who he described as one of their pilots. He was something else. He was a one-off.

What made me laugh was that I was sort of giving direct feedback to a fella who's a great friend of Nick and his family. I was a bit tempted to start planting mindworms like "Send word we love it", "Send word we need Hawker Typhoons and bloody Sunderlands" and "hurry with the old musty birds". I didn't say any of that though and planted no worms, just chuckles. We had a good chat and a laugh about all the clutter we (DCS Pilots) get into. He asked if I had a flying helmet, which to be honest, I had to tell him I do as my neighbour bought me one for Christmas for a laugh. Essential at the time though I now have the TrackIR clip plonked onto reading glasses. "Do you have rudder pedals", "yeah, and they weren't bloody cheap", ... more chuckles.

I wonder if the ol boy has had a word with anyone about my 'feedback'? I mentioned the Jugs, the Spit marques, the lack of speed and Target Indicators in the Mossie, all sorts but I was enjoying chatting to the fella, totally oblivious to who he may be friends with. Funny how small the World can be at times.

[NineLine]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

it kind of confirmed for me that there is no "ED WWII Team" per se.

We have a WWII team, yes. We also have very skilled people who can and will help out in different locations when required. The person who did the WWII damage model is going to be valuable to the entire team as the new DM is added to other aspects. Things can seem like they are delayed but overall priorities can conflict with individual products at times. 

[Silver_Dragon]

3 minutes ago, Slippa said:

I'm looking forward to any and all the old musty birds. Corsair should be great. If we can have a Hellcat, can we also have a Wildcat please? I was just reading about something Grumman made called a Wildcatfish, I kid you not. Could have one of those too, why not?  (Time+£$)

F6F Hellcat has confirmed and on develop by ED...

Edited September 11, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[Slippa]

34 minutes ago, NineLine said:

We have a WWII team, yes. We also have very skilled people who can and will help out in different locations when required. The person who did the WWII damage model is going to be valuable to the entire team as the new DM is added to other aspects. Things can seem like they are delayed but overall priorities can conflict with individual products at times. 

Cheers, that's encouraging. I'm only tickling about it.

[Rapierarch]

On 9/11/2023 at 6:48 PM, Silver_Dragon said:

with WW2 BoB modules coming after, confirmed by Nick Grey from your aircrafts on Duxford.

Did I just hear wonderful news? Please don't be hot air. Is there any recording of this somewhere?

[Silver_Dragon]

7 minutes ago, Rapierarch said:

Did I just hear wonderful news? Please don't be hot air. Is there any recording of this somewhere?

Nick Grey talk about them on a interview on 2020, after the Mosquito, he will go to the Battle of Britain... 49:10: "What is your vision of DCS WW2?"

But that change to make first the F6F Hellcat (he fly them on TFC). The Bob maintain has a follow project.

[Rapierarch]

@Silver_Dragon O. M. G. 

BF-109 E series and Early F

FW-190 early anton ( the butcher bird)

BF-110

Lovely Hurricane

Early spitfires

Beaufighter

Blenheim....

AAAAnd. Stuka! ....... and many. Endless joy for us endless profit for them. 

[Gunfreak]

5 hours ago, Rapierarch said:

@Silver_Dragon O. M. G. 

BF-109 E series and Early F

FW-190 early anton ( the butcher bird)

BF-110

Lovely Hurricane

Early spitfires

Beaufighter

Blenheim....

AAAAnd. Stuka! ....... and many. Endless joy for us endless profit for them. 

That's 25 years of DCS ww2 development time.

Personally I would prefer they concentrate on 1944/1945, still missing a lot there. Instead of yet another 1/10th finished ww2 setting.

[NineLine]

1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

That's 25 years of DCS ww2 development time.

Personally I would prefer they concentrate on 1944/1945, still missing a lot there. Instead of yet another 1/10th finished ww2 setting.

It's a wishlist thread, people can wish for what they like without someone raining on their parade. 

[Gunfreak]

18 minutes ago, NineLine said:

It's a wishlist thread, people can wish for what they like without someone raining on their parade. 

More about EDs rumored plans on expanding into BoB. I too can wish for all bob planes. All Pacific planes etc. I'm not raining on anyone parade. I'm critical about EDs supposed planes to move focus away from what they are already doing. Given the time it takes for stuff to be finished.  It would be fantastic if DCS actually did exist 25 years from now(tho many of us won't) and we did have all these ww2 and cold war planes and everything we wished for. But maybe not jump all over the place and have many half(or less) finished projects. Finish(or at least make more complete) before moving on to the next.

ED is working on dynamic campaign with logistics etc. Imagine if they at the same time added flyable and AI assets for the 1944 period and we could have a truly immersive dynamic campaign for the whole of 1944. Something that would put all other competitors to shame. 

 

[Silver_Dragon]

On 9/14/2023 at 11:29 PM, Gunfreak said:

More about EDs rumoured plans on expanding into BoB. I too can wish for all bob plans. All Pacific plans etc. I'm not raining on anyone parade. I'm critical about EDs supposed plans to move focus away from what they are already doing. Given the time it takes for stuff to be finished.  It would be fantastic if DCS actually did exist 25 years from now(tho many of us won't) and we did have all these ww2 and cold war plans and everything we wished for. But maybe not jump all over the place and have many half(or less) finished projects. Finish(or at least make more complete) before moving on to the next.

ED is working on dynamic campaign with logistics etc. Imagine if they at the same time added flyable and AI assets for the 1944 period and we could have a truly immersive dynamic campaign for the whole of 1944. Something that would put all other competitors to shame. 

 

 

You seem to forget that much of the content in modules, is because of access to information, example the P-47 that RRG Studios chose, plus the 1944 era, and then it was an ordeal. Or the problem of not being able to make the Me262 because there are "peculiarities" with the system and engines, to make it realistic.

The dynamic campaign is the same with the cold war or modern, and much of the current AI, is inherited from the low quality models of the times of LOMAC / FC that above, you have to rebuild to the current standard. In fact, the number of new AIs produced has been slow to very slow in the last 15 years because you are focused on something else and there is no fixed "AI production team", but it has to change according to the needs of development, be it modules or technology.

It would be perfect to have 40-50  aircraft in the pipeline, with all the engineering documentation, wind tunnel data, systems, weapons, EMS to refer to, flying aircraft to compare, etc to make it all go faster, plus hundreds of millions to spend and large teams of people to work exclusively on WW2, but in today's world and when you want to make "hardcore" material it is very difficult, neither have all the data, nor do the devices work as some claim, problems of "secret" or "destroyed" material, nor SMEs, nor many flyable or flyable devices (many in museums in static). He always puts the "competitors" in the middle, but remember that in that competition ED is the only one doing hardcore stuff and on top of that he gives it his core for free, plus there are particularities of many devices that are not simulated, for the sake of "balance".

Nick Grey was clear these years, he is making WW2 modules that they has the data in hand, thanks to several friends and collaborators, and those he has had to research profusely, including the ones he has in The Fighter Collection, that's why the F6F and Bob movement, it's not to screw the community, it's because they are using, flying and maintaining them every day. 

[Gunfreak]

40 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

 

You seem to forget that much of the content in modules, is because of access to information, example the P-47 that RRG Studios chose, plus the 1944 era, and then it was an ordeal. Or the problem of not being able to make the Me262 because there are "peculiarities" with the system and engines, to make it realistic.

The dynamic campaign is the same with the cold war or modern, and much of the current AI, is inherited from the low quality models of the times of LOMAC / FC that above, you have to rebuild to the current standard. In fact, the number of new AIs produced has been slow to very slow in the last 15 years because you are focused on something else and there is no fixed "AI production team", but it has to change according to the needs of development, be it modules or technology.

It would be perfect to have 40-50  aircraft in the pipeline, with all the engineering documentation, wind tunnel data, systems, weapons, EMS to refer to, flying aircraft to compare, etc to make it all go faster, plus hundreds of millions to spend and large teams of people to work exclusively on WW2, but in today's world and when you want to make "hardcore" material it is very difficult, neither have all the data, nor do the devices work as some claim, problems of "secret" or "destroyed" material, nor SMEs, nor many flyable or flyable devices (many in museums in static). He always puts the "competitors" in the middle, but remember that in that competition ED is the only one doing hardcore stuff and on top of that he gives it his core for free, plus there are particularities of many devices that are not simulated, for the sake of "balance".

Nick Grey was clear these years, he is making WW2 modules that they has the data in hand, thanks to several friends and collaborators, and those he has had to research profusely, including the ones he has in The Fighter Collection, that's why the F6F and Bob movement, it's not to screw the community, it's because they are using, flying and maintaining them every day. 

That's a lot of words that has no relevance for what I wrote.

There's nothing you wrote that has any relevance for ED not making 44 more complete before moving on to other tings.

They can start by doing those 6 AI aircraft they talked about 6  years ago.

Then make P51B/C and earlier model P47(these could be sold as $10 upgrade and include graphical upgrade to the p51) then work on getting the now AI Me109G6 into a full fidelity plane) add AI me110. Maybe a few odds and ends for the ground AI too.

This would  make 1944 far more complete. And it would only include 1 completely new modual and 2 modual upgrades and quite a few AI assets.

 

Far far less work then halfway try and make anything bob. That would literally require absolutely everything done from scratch. A Hurricane, a 109e does not bob make.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Gunfreak

[jabbabzh]

With all great company (razbam / ED / Heatblur and other ) when a B17 like "B17 flying fortress" from Micropose ?? with IA in each station and possibility to switch , and of course multiplayer possibility

[MiGCap1]

On 9/11/2023 at 7:18 PM, NineLine said:

We have a WWII team, yes. We also have very skilled people who can and will help out in different locations when required. The person who did the WWII damage model is going to be valuable to the entire team as the new DM is added to other aspects. Things can seem like they are delayed but overall priorities can conflict with individual products at times. 

It would also be nice to overwork the initial modules like the Fw 190D ... they are not up to date to DCS standards anymore.

[Silver_Dragon]

17 minutes ago, MiGCap1 said:

It would also be nice to overwork the initial modules like the Fw 190D ... they are not up to date to DCS standards anymore.

Spitfire Mk.IX was uptade on 2.9.0 version.

Others will coming on a future.

[Mogster]

On 9/14/2023 at 11:29 PM, Gunfreak said:

More about EDs rumored plans on expanding into BoB. I too can wish for all bob planes.

I keep hoping the relative WW2 radio silence is because ED and partners are working on Nick’s BOB planeset… The thing about the BOB is that is quite self contained and with only 2/3 flyables and  4/5 AI you can make historical missions. We have the maps, they just need modifying for 1940.

Flyable  

Spit I (We have the Mk IX)

Hurricane I

Me 109 E (We have the K)

AI

Me 110

Ju87

He111

Ju88 (we have this!!!)

This is my fantasy New Year announcement anyway 

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Mogster

[Silver_Dragon]

5 minutes ago, Mogster said:

I keep hoping the relative WW2 radio silence is because ED and partners are working on Nick’s BOB planeset… The thing about the BOB is that is quite self contained and with only 2/3 flyables and  4/5 AI you can make historical missions. We have the maps, the just need modifying for 1940.

Flyable  

Spit I (We have the Mk IX)

Hurricane I

Me 109 E (We have the K)

AI

Me 110

Ju87

He111

Ju88 (we have this!!!)

This is my fantasy New Year announcement anyway 

 

ED has working acutaly of F6F Hellcat WW2 module. Bob modules will be very early of any info about them.

[Gunfreak]

45 minutes ago, Mogster said:

I keep hoping the relative WW2 radio silence is because ED and partners are working on Nick’s BOB planeset… The thing about the BOB is that is quite self contained and with only 2/3 flyables and  4/5 AI you can make historical missions. We have the maps, they just need modifying for 1940.

Flyable  

Spit I (We have the Mk IX)

Hurricane I

Me 109 E (We have the K)

AI

Me 110

Ju87

He111

Ju88 (we have this!!!)

This is my fantasy New Year announcement anyway 

 

 

That's 10 years of ED ww2 development time. That's not counting stuff like ships (no point in having Ju87 if you don't have the main target of Ju87. ) and if you did BOB, I'm sure people would want flyable Stukas anyway. Personally I would want ED to improve upon what they already have. Instead of starting new, especially something new very well covered other places.

[Mogster]

10 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

That's 10 years of ED ww2 development time. That's not counting stuff like ships (no point in having Ju87 if you don't have the main target of Ju87. ) and if you did BOB, I'm sure people would want flyable Stukas anyway. Personally I would want ED to improve upon what they already have. Instead of starting new, especially something new very well covered other places.

Of course everyone would want more flyables but the 3 I suggested would be fine for a start. Actually, like the Mosquito, the Ju87 and Me110 fit the single seat twin mould, the pilot has access to all controls the second crew member is a navigator, gunner, observer. They’d be easier than a He111 or Ju88.

We have WW2 warships and transports. We could make do if necessary. 

[Gunfreak]

2 hours ago, Mogster said:

Of course everyone would want more flyables but the 3 I suggested would be fine for a start. Actually, like the Mosquito, the Ju87 and Me110 fit the single seat twin mould, the pilot has access to all controls the second crew member is a navigator, gunner, observer. They’d be easier than a He111 or Ju88.

We have WW2 warships and transports. We could make do if necessary. 

We have no British ships at all. We have some civilian ships remade into troop transport. 

We have a German U-boat and snell boat armed with radar guided rail railguns. Nothing to make a British convoy with. 

[snocc_]

bomber 

[CyberCopter]

My favorite candidate for a WWII bomber/attack aircraft would be the A-20G Havoc. It's optimized for single pilot operation, had great performance, and devastating fire power. It also has the advantage of serving in at least a dozen air forces spanning all the existing ED maps.