12700k or 5800x3d for DCS

[junneh]

I can get both combo's of cpu and mobo for the same price (single digit difference).

I already have ddr 32gb 3200 and a Rx6800.

 

Whats best to buy for purely DCS?

[tomcat_driver]

Currently without multithread support, 5800x3d. It will probably remain so, but who knows.

[Bossco82]

Ive had access to a  5800x3d X570s with 3600mhz DDR4 and a 12900k with 5600Mhz DDR5 at the same time. Whether its in flat panel or VR, there is not much in it to be honest. DCS will be pushing your GPU before your CPU.

Both setups were providing 75-95fps and above on max settings on 4k using a 3090.

In the end I chose the 12900k as its faster for anything outside of DCS and its power consumption is controlled with an undervolt.

[Lange_666]

10 hours ago, Bossco82 said:

I chose the 12900k as its faster for anything outside of DCS and its power consumption is controlled with an undervolt.

Same can be done with the 5800X3D.

[Bossco82]

Yep, sorry Lange is right with the correct bios version same can be done for the 5800x3d

I was trying to say that for DCS and performance. You cant put a bus ticket between the two.

It's about as neck and neck as it gets.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

Why the 12th gen intel and not the 13?

[junneh]

I didnt do my research on 13th gen.

 

It seems the 13600k beats the 12700k everywhere, so this is indeed the better option and a bit cheaper too atm.

 

The 13700k will cost me too much with total cost combined and the power draw seems quite toasty

 

Seeing the other answers there isnt much between them. I will go with 13600k since its quite abit better then 5800x3d outside of the games.

 

Thanks all!

[agrasyuk]

On 12/24/2022 at 2:44 PM, Bossco82 said:

Ive had access to a  5800x3d X570s with 3600mhz DDR4 and a 12900k with 5600Mhz DDR5 at the same time. Whether its in flat panel or VR, there is not much in it to be honest. DCS will be pushing your GPU before your CPU.

Did I miss AMD catching up to Intel as far as single thread performance?  honest question, I was under impression intel is the CPU of choice for DCS, didn't keep u on development to much 

[VirusAM]

Did I miss AMD catching up to Intel as far as single thread performance?  honest question, I was under impression intel is the CPU of choice for DCS, didn't keep u on development to much 

It is since Ryzen 5000 that AMD surpassed Intel...with the 3000 it went near.
Now they are more toe to toe...but the 5800x3d seems the best choice for now

[agrasyuk]

here is a quick comparison that I pulled, seems apples to apples.
Any chance you can explain what makes 5800x3d the choice for DCS ?
to me it looks like intel still retains single core performance lead. am I missing something?

Edited December 27, 2022 by agrasyuk

[Lange_666]

Core speed doesn't say everything. What the 5800X3D really makes it shine is it's 96MB level 3 cache.

[EightyDuce]

3 hours ago, agrasyuk said:

here is a quick comparison that I pulled, seems apples to apples.
Any chance you can explain what makes 5800x3d the choice for DCS ?
to me it looks like intel still retains single core performance lead. am I missing something?

 

First off, UserBenchmark is pretty much trash, and that's borderline being disrespectful to trash. Now, what makes 5800X3D better in gaming is the massive L3 cache. However, the cache is primarily beneficial in games and has minimal to no productivity benefit. So if one is looking to game only, 5800X3D wins, or at the very least ties something like a 7700X or a 13600K, while having a cheaper entry price.

[Bossco82]

8 hours ago, agrasyuk said:

Did I miss AMD catching up to Intel as far as single thread performance?  honest question, I was under impression intel is the CPU of choice for DCS, didn't keep u on development to much 

No you didn't mate, Intel are still ahead regarding synthetic benchmark clock speeds. Its just in DCS as a whole system. Its pretty even

[Guest]

22 hours ago, junneh said:

I didnt do my research on 13th gen.

 

It seems the 13600k beats the 12700k everywhere, so this is indeed the better option and a bit cheaper too atm.

 

The 13700k will cost me too much with total cost combined and the power draw seems quite toasty

 

Seeing the other answers there isnt much between them. I will go with 13600k since its quite abit better then 5800x3d outside of the games.

 

Thanks all!

I have two machines with AMD Cpu's but i will switch back to intel next upgrade.

[agrasyuk]

19 hours ago, Lange_666 said:

Core speed doesn't say everything. What the 5800X3D really makes it shine is it's 96MB level 3 cache.

fair enough and I will not argue otherwise. but I was hoping to see some sort of comparison that demonstrates that. I did spend a bit time reading our board and again I'm not finding anything that conclusively suggests AMD is now the CPU of choice for DCS. 

16 hours ago, EightyDuce said:

First off, UserBenchmark is pretty much trash, and that's borderline being disrespectful to trash. 

I'm sorry UserBenchmark pooped in your soup  . can you suggest a better comparison?

[EightyDuce]

51 minutes ago, agrasyuk said:

I'm sorry UserBenchmark pooped in your soup  . can you suggest a better comparison?

Didn't poop in my soup at all, just a shame seeing people who don't know any better taking what they provide as useful/factual information. 

For a better comparison, especially for gaming, look to Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed. Hardware specific, Tech PowerUP. Honestly, literally almost any other half reputable source will do.

 

You are most welcome, enjoy.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/15.html

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2022 by EightyDuce
tech powerup

[agrasyuk]

6 minutes ago, EightyDuce said:

Didn't poop in my soup at all, just a shame seeing people who don't know any better taking what they provide as useful/factual information. 

For a better comparison, especially for gaming, look to Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed. Hardware specific, Tech PowerUP. Honestly, literally almost any other half reputable source will do.

You are most welcome, enjoy.

I obviously cannot know any better then EightyDuce, not even going to argue that. your made it absolutely clear how you personally feel about userbenchmark . with that I failed to understand your take on actual data. is it erroneous? or fraudulent? or irrelevant to DCS?

Title of this post asks for a CPU recommendation specifically for purposes of DCS.  I might be not the most up-to-date on all the development of things, but I know that DCS still relies heavily on single core. I also know that DCS does not follow precisely the performance trends of general gaming.  So far Intel was the CPU of choice because of measurably better single core performance. I see a claim above that it is now AMD that holds the lead in DCS. So i'm naturally curious as to how that claim is substantiated.  I have no idea if DCS relies on cash, if that cash indeed helps things in DCS - great.I went a page back in our board, I'm failing to find that substantiation.
Can you by a chance point me to a thread that is something a long the lines of "I went from intel xxxx to AMD xxxx and I see better performance" ?

 
I managed to get myself to click on the "gift to gamers" and scroll to his charts ( I have allergy to stupid YT faces). indeed it seems manufacturers are trading blows in games that I do not care about. its great, happy for both, I am a shareholder of both companies. but I missed the part where he compares DCS performance.
any chance you can link to a comparison that is relevant to our discussion?

[EightyDuce]

6 minutes ago, agrasyuk said:

I obviously cannot know any better then EightyDuce, not even going to argue that. your made it absolutely clear how you personally feel about userbenchmark . with that I failed to understand your take on actual data. is it erroneous? or fraudulent? or irrelevant to DCS?
 

Your words, not mine; but since you mentioned UserBenchmark as a source I figured it was fairly safe to assume. I apologize if I misjudged.  You never asked why I thought the way I did, just made a snarky remark and asked for alternatives. I provided the alternatives. Now since you asked, by and large, User Benchmark testing methodology is unpublished and their results are often biased, seemingly pulled out of thin air and appear to be counter everyone else's findings (those outlets that actually publish methodology). If you really care, you can google User Benchmark validity/legitimacy and you'll end up down in a rabbit hole really quick.

As for the purposes of DCS specific, realistically, the only benchmarks you will find are the ones conducted by users here on the forums, and some that post to YouTube. DCS isn't really a popular testing platform outside of here. Some conclusions could be drawn by looking at the benchmarked performance of some of the single-threaded games you may not care about, and those benchmarks are provided by Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed. etc. If you look in the VR forums here, there is a significantly long thread on 5800X3D and its performance compared to other CPUs in DCS.

Allergies aside, as far as I know, User Benchmark doesn't test DCS performance either....