"jUsT fLy YoUR JeT BeTtEr..."

[Dragon1-1]

13 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

WVR heater fight, all you do is crank. point and shoot then try to run away, even less cranking and pointing is required with helmet sight/JHMCS 

...which is why airframe matters more in a heater fight than in guns only. Different missiles, some aircraft have JHMCS and some don't, things like that. Even more in a BVR fight, where speed and radar make some aircraft inherently better at this than others. That you didn't realize that what you wrote only proves my point tells me that you don't understand what you're talking about. Again, if you don't understand air combat, you're not going to get any good at it. In fact, if you try to fight like you said in a heater duel, you won't last very long. There's a lot more to it than "shoot, crank and run". 

Both Tomcat and Hornet are in early access. That means flight models are WIP, and as such, subject to change. You likely got used to an early iteration of the Tomcat's FM that gave you unrealistic advantage. Stripped of that advantage, you don't actually know how to fight. If you post a track of one of your fights, someone can likely tell you exactly what you did wrong and what your opponent did right. 

[lunaticfringe]

32 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

strong men create good times. good times create soft men. soft men create bad times

Wants to one circle radius fight.  Derides/abstains from high aspect/snapshot gunnery.  

Commits to the phone booth.  Pulls the flaps handle, adding net two-plus external tanks worth of drag.  Wonders why he can't accelerate.

Uses meme about proverbial good times making men soft.  Complains when overperformance is moderated to match the tables.  Doesn't realize the hypocrisy of his argument.

*shakes head*

[Stackup]

11 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

perpetually moving goal posts?

Whoa there, this isn't Star Citizen.  The goalpost is the same as it always was, to create the most accurate simulation of the F-14 Tomcat possible.  What changed was the information the developers had and how they implemented it into DCS.  DCS is designed to be realistic, not balanced.  If new information comes to light, then things change, that's the nature of DCS and early access.  You clearly disagree and that's okay, but few people seem to think the same as you.  

 

28 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

It's ingroup gatekeeping conspirators vs a loathsome detestable outgroup reject?

If you really think in this paranoid mindset, why you are still responding?  If everyone is against you, why not remove yourself from that situation?  Seems to me like it would be a lot less stressful...

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Bro, if you're act like this is an imageboard, expect that behavior to be returned in kind.

[near_blind]

I could get in trouble for even mentioning this exists, but here's Top Secret footage of an F-14A engaging and defeating three fighters with "OP AF plz Nerf" flight models. It might help developing counter plays against the Hornets. 

[Q3ark]

OP, I have no advice to give you with regards to BFM. I still routinely lose at it, despite putting a little over 1000 hours into DCS over the past couple of years. 

 

However, after reading this entire thread I have one observation. You have become so tightly focused on what you believe the problem to be that you can not see anything else. Your current mindset is not receptive to learning, you are resistant and argumentative to any advice people have given you. 
 

It might be worth taking a break from DCS for a while in order to regain your perspective. This hobby of ours is amazing fun, but if it stops being fun have a break. You will never solve any problem by repeatedly basing yourself over the head with it to the point of frustration. 

Edited December 25, 2022 by Q3ark

[Frostie]

12 hours ago, peakfirearm said:

why does everything I like have to suck? 2018 I love the hornet and it's awesome, F14 is released, F18 sucks can't win at all. I start flying F14 and really like it start winning a lot in it. immediately F14 sucks and F18 is unbeatable again. what is this? some kind of joke? It's literally just like some crappy online multiplayer console game where there's a buff of one gun nerf of another and it goes back and forth. 

perpetually moving goal posts?

 

So you were great in the easiest bfm AC in DCS, but then started losing when others adapted to average Hornet pilots weaknesses.

Then when Tomcat came out had to switch because it was op and then surprisingly to you started winning with the op jet. But when Tomcat gets aligned to reality you start sucking again.

 

I'd say the issue is at your door.

[Despayre]

5 hours ago, Frostie said:

I'd say the issue is at your door.

There's only 1 person in this thread that can't see that.

[peakfirearm]

18 hours ago, Stackup said:

If you really think in this paranoid mindset, why you are still responding?  If everyone is against you, why not remove yourself from that situation?  Seems to me like it would be a lot less stressful...

IDK guess I need the additional toxicity 

18 hours ago, lunaticfringe said:

Wants to one circle radius fight.  Derides/abstains from high aspect/snapshot gunnery.  

Commits to the phone booth.  Pulls the flaps handle, adding net two-plus external tanks worth of drag.  Wonders why he can't accelerate

*shakes head*

lol, not like you can accelerate without pulling landing flaps anyway, you can be nose down pointed directly at the ground and get absolutely nothing when you need it. F14B is so underpowered following having AB thrust below m0.7 decreased af, lift reduced af, and airframe drag increased af not to mention you can't even out accelerate anything to run away at high speed

Edited December 25, 2022 by peakfirearm

[peakfirearm]

18 hours ago, Stackup said:

The goalpost is the same as it always was, to create the most accurate simulation of the F-14 Tomcat possible.  What changed was the information the developers had and how they implemented it into DCS.  DCS is designed to be realistic, not balanced. 

Wow, yeah, never heard that before. So profound. Yet DCS flight models change willynilly all the time with people claiming they're holy grail of realism on both sides of the changes.

I guess no one can relate, but forgive me for being extremely frustrated AF for putting in a bunch of time into 2 different modules(talking years here) only to have the rug pulled out from under me on two different occasions with massive sweeping changes to flight models, whether those changes are to the specific modules I was flying or to all contemporaries in the entire planeset. I guess the moral of the story here is don't buy early access modules at any point ever

Edited December 25, 2022 by peakfirearm

[Despayre]

1 minute ago, peakfirearm said:

Yet DCS flight models change willynilly all the time with people claiming they're holy grail of realism on both sides of the changes.

This was a lie the last time you said it in this thread, and it's a lie this time too.

But please, continue to exist in your own reality where nothing is ever your fault, according to you not even gravity works*, and someone else is always to blame... 

 

* "... you can be nose down pointed directly at the ground and get absolutely nothing..." Quote from the victim of our evil plot's previous thread comments.

 

[peakfirearm]

Just now, Despayre said:

according to you not even gravity works*, and someone else is always to blame... 

 

 

IDK seeing as how I'm currently sitting down and not floating around gravity appears to be working. in DCS in the HBF14B though, not so much

 

[Despayre]

8 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

IDK seeing as how I'm currently sitting down and not floating around gravity appears to be working. in DCS in the HBF14B though, not so much

 

So of course you have a track (I mean, I'm sure you have many tracks showing all these "problems", cuz no one would be stupid enough to claim these things without actually having a shred of evidence... would they? But just 1 track will do) to share proving we're all ganging up on you, and you're not just pulling this out of your imagination without any proof right? Please post it, prove us all wrong. No more whining required, just post it.

Specifically the track where you prove gravity doesn't exist for the F-14B would be nice (but, #SpoilerAlert I'm not gonna hold my breath).

 

[peakfirearm]

1 minute ago, Despayre said:

So of course you have a track (I mean, I'm sure you have many tracks showing all these "problems", cuz no one would be stupid enough to claim these things without actually having a shred of evidence... would they? But just 1 track will do) to share proving we're all ganging up on you, and you're not just pulling this out of your imagination without any proof right? Please post it, prove us all wrong. No more whining required, just post it.

Specifically the track where you prove gravity doesn't exist for the F-14B would be nice (but, #SpoilerAlert I'm not gonna hold my breath).

 

tacview lacks data and imo they're spoofed anyway even if they did have all the data. can't believe anything 

[GGTharos]

17 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

Yet DCS flight models change willynilly

That is incorrect.  And you'd know and understand that if you took the time to understand how these work, where the information comes from, etc.

17 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

I guess no one can relate, but forgive me for being extremely frustrated AF for putting in a bunch of time into 2 different modules(talking years here) only to have the rug pulled out from under me on two different occasions with massive sweeping changes to flight models, whether those changes are to the specific modules I was flying or to all contemporaries in the entire planeset. I guess the moral of the story here is don't buy early access modules at any point ever

It is hard to relate because you're just being a complete gamer about it, and your self-awareness here is zero.  

Look at the things you've written, basically:

1) You were so good in the F-14 when it had completely unreal capabilities (27DPS sustained turns with the flaps down?  Hello Raptor!)

2) Same for the F-18

You rely entirely on one single aspect of the airframe capability to win, which is sustained turn rate.  The issue lies with your skillset, and it is painfully obvious to everyone but you.   You literally refuse to draw a logical conclusion here, preferring instead to blame it all on airframe changes.

I have bad news for you, while some airframes are superior to others in some aspects, the teen fighters effectively exchange superiority in various regimes and generally are fairly close to each other.   If the only thing you're thinking of is best sustained, you're not doing BFM, you're just flying best sustained.

You asked for advice.  You haven't asked anything specific at all, you haven't attempted to research BFM deeper, you haven't described any detailed combat or provided a tacview or anything at all.  All you've done is whine and literally the only thing you've mentioned which is grabbing an F-14 on some public server will have a specific fuel load, well, guess what ... there's a fuel dump switch but in any case those engines will drink the fuel so fast you won't know what happened.

So if you're heavy for a while, why not merge with an advantage?  Don't know how?  You can learn.

There's nothing here for you with the attitude you've taken.   Yes, you're wrong, and everyone else is right.

1 minute ago, peakfirearm said:

tacview lacks data and imo they're spoofed anyway even if they did have all the data. can't believe anything 

Tacview is perfectly fine for the vast majority of BFM and BVR analyses.  

[Despayre]

Just now, peakfirearm said:

tacview lacks data and imo they're spoofed anyway even if they did have all the data. can't believe anything 

I didn't ask for anyone else's tracks. Are you saying you can't be trusted to give us a track, cuz you're going to spoof it? If not, give us the track, and enough with the stupid conspiracy theories... 

[Yannick Pancake]

Well you can just send us a DCS Trackfile, i'm happy to have a look at it and maybe find a mistake or we are able to give you tips where you can improve.

but for that, we need a trackfile, not tacview, just a .trk if I'm not mistaken

[Despayre]

1 minute ago, peakfirearm said:

I'm not afraid to say stuff seems sus when stuff seems sus.

You're apparently not afraid to say ridiculous things either, like the above sentence for example. Newflash, you're still wrong, and you could easily prove your case with a track, which you won't do, and we all know why... and so do you 

 

" I'm continuing my paranoid schizophrenic narrative suggesting dcs server falsifies tacview data to cover up a cheating in bfm servers"

Run it on your own server dipstick. Oh wait, pls tell me you think the HB ppl have convinced the ED ppl to bake all the "supposed track-spoofing" into the DCS main code, right? right? lolol, please say yes, come on it's Christmas, I could use this present...

[Naquaii]

8 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

Hey idk, maybe it's the server or the mission on the server or some kind of backend scripting

I'm not afraid to say stuff seems sus when stuff seems sus.

no dipstick, I'm continuing my paranoid schizophrenic narrative suggesting dcs server or dcs server admins falsify tacview data to cover up cheating in bfm servers

 

If you truly believe ED or 3rd parties would willingly script functions to hide the performance of aircraft in DCS I'm not sure what to tell you, you obviously can't countenance being wrong anyway.

We have multiple SMEs with thousands (plural) hours in the real F-14, you'll have to excuse us if we won't change the FM just because of people on the forums claiming they feel the FM is wrong in DCS.

And also, please refrain from name-calling, that's a sure-fire way to have no-one at all listen to you.

[peakfirearm]

2 minutes ago, Naquaii said:

that's a sure-fire way to have no-one at all listen to you.

as if people listen to me anyway

2 minutes ago, Naquaii said:

you'll have to excuse us if we won't change the FM just because of people on the forums claiming they feel the FM is wrong in DCS.

except you literally changed hbf14b fm in response to forum backlash in 2019 lol

Edited December 25, 2022 by peakfirearm

[Naquaii]

1 minute ago, peakfirearm said:

as if people listen to me anyway

Funny how you homed in on that and completely ignored the part where our actual sources come from. Have a good one.

[peakfirearm]

11 minutes ago, Naquaii said:

you'll have to excuse us if we won't change the FM just because of people on the forums claiming they feel the FM is wrong in DCS.

except you literally changed hbf14b fm in response to forum backlash in 2019 lol

11 minutes ago, Naquaii said:

We have multiple SMEs with thousands (plural) hours in the real F-14

Maybe you could have them go fly the HBF14A/B pvp 1v1 guns bfm DACT in a regularly populated public bfm server and stream it all live then?

Edited December 25, 2022 by peakfirearm

[Yannick Pancake]

Please, just PROVE us wrong. 

And for real, i don't know a single Person who thinks the cat is underpowered, ok the A is different, but also quite capable, if flown good, but for the B ...

[Naquaii]

3 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

except you literally changed hbf14b fm in response to forum backlash in 2019 lol

The important part of that sentence that you conveniently ignored is that we validate all FM changes with our veteran F-14 pilot SMEs. We will always take legitimate concerns and feedback to heart regardless of sources but you'll have to have something better than feelings to back it up. And we will still run it by our SMEs, anyway, regardless of source.

[peakfirearm]

2 minutes ago, Naquaii said:

The important part of that sentence that you conveniently ignored is that we validate all FM changes with our veteran F-14 pilot SMEs. We will always take legitimate concerns and feedback to heart regardless of sources but you'll have to have something better than feelings to back it up. And we will still run it by our SMEs, anyway, regardless of source.

yeah, maybe you can run it by your SME's then have them go fly the HBF14A/B pvp 1v1 guns bfm DACT for days in a regularly populated public bfm server and stream it all live?

Edited December 25, 2022 by peakfirearm