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Does the DCS 2023 & Beyond trailer hint at a F-14D?

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...Or just wishful thinking?

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what indication led you to believe this?

 

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I do not think HB will build F-14D (lacking non-disclosured information for it, I guess)....  Maybe there is a community version mod for F-14D, likes F-22A....  who knows...

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5 minutes ago, Swordsman422 said:

The only new Grumman product I noticed in the trailer was an F6F Hellcat. The F-14s I saw were all Bs.

There was an A in there as well.

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Scrapping the D was one of the biggest crimes in engineering history.  Not to mention criminal misuse of tax-payer's money.  I know the A's and B's were known to be maintenance heavy, but by the time the D came along they worked out a lot of the kinks and built-up tremendous legacy knowledge.  Oh well, spilt milk.

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A lot of the systems that were maintenance-heavy remained on the D. The wiring, hydraulics, and wing sweep mechanisms were some of the big time items, and those didn't go away when the D was introduced. About a third of the Ds built were actually rebuilds of As. They were still hogs, just hogs with more digital data busses and MFDs in place of CRT screens.

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What I hear a lot from the old guard is that many (not all) of the Tomcat Mx problems were lack of parts, the Navy/Pentagon/Congress just didn't order them.  Effectively, the Tomcat was on a fiscal <profanity>-list before it ever entered service.  I have heard that as more and more squadrons were transitioned that parts became plentiful and Mx wasn't really a problem.

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On 1/5/2023 at 12:44 PM, Swordsman422 said:

A lot of the systems that were maintenance-heavy remained on the D. The wiring, hydraulics, and wing sweep mechanisms were some of the big time items, and those didn't go away when the D was introduced. About a third of the Ds built were actually rebuilds of As. They were still hogs, just hogs with more digital data busses and MFDs in place of CRT screens.

So it shouldn't be too hard to produce a D variant for DCS then?  Isn't it just a glorified B, with a HUD from a Hornet and MFD's?  Both of which already exist in DCS.  

 

Could you elaborate on the maintenance issues with the three systems you mention? I find it a fascinating subject.

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8 minutes ago, JupiterJoe said:

So it shouldn't be too hard to produce a D variant for DCS then?  If it's just a glorified B, with a HUD from a Hornet and MFD's.  Both of which already exist in DCS.  

 

How did you arrive to that conclusion?

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1 hour ago, JupiterJoe said:

So it shouldn't be too hard to produce a D variant for DCS then?  If it's just a glorified B, with a HUD from a Hornet and MFD's.  Both of which already exist in DCS.  

 

Could you elaborate on the maintenance issues with the three systems you mention? I find it a fascinating subject.

And a ITAR restricted IRST.  HeatBlur doesn't care about "can we make it look right" they need "can we make it function right".  It's not a matter of "Do HUDs and MFDs" exist, it's a matter of "how does the HUD and MFD process data to generate the display and what is the page mapping.  And again, the IRST is controlled and access to the doc is restricted.

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3 hours ago, Fromthedeep said:

How did you arrive to that conclusion?

I was being a little sarcastic and a little obnoxious I suppose.  Apologies.  This thread was partly click-bait, to see if Heatblur could be coaxed into making any comment on whether a D is even being considered these days and partly to see what the community felt about a D.  Personally I'd like to see some finishing touches added to the A/B:

  • Exterior lights (including the fuel probe light), having the brightness/bloom draw distance work similar to the Hornet/F-16. 
  • A partial/complete OBC (On-board Check) system. 
  • The ejection seat arming sound loop problem fixed. 
  • The RIO's ejection priority handle position indicator implemented. 
  • Transonic shock cones.
  • Canopy fog/defog implemented, including windscreen hot air system.

 

 

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1 hour ago, JupiterJoe said:

This thread was partly click-bait, to see if Heatblur could be coaxed into making any comment ...

 

I strongly dislike threads with a hidden agenda ... 😝

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@Pricklyhedgehog72 mentioned "D" at 6:09 and it is very unlikely:

 

 

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1 hour ago, scommander2 said:

@Pricklyhedgehog72 mentioned "D" at 6:09 and it is very unlikely:

How anyone thought a Tomcat with TF-30 engine nozzles was or meant a "D" variant is beyond me...

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When DCS announces something and beyond and it means new stuffs will be available in DCS eventually.  Like F-14E, F-15EX.... When A-4 showed in the video, someone thinks it will be an official mod in DCS which is not true.

 I guess when F-14(?) showed in the video and there is the hope (wish) for it 🙂 

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5 hours ago, Swordsman422 said:

 

Ah, that's the A I missed. The one with the VF-103 F-14B livery. Definitely not a D.

Glowing Amraam's choice of F-14 skins was disappointing to say the least, especially considering the available options.

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13 hours ago, tomcat_driver said:

Isnt the A the iranian version supposed to be made after the ones we have?

No, it's an early A.  Block 90 or 95, I think (vs our current Block 135).

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12 hours ago, WarthogOsl said:

No, it's an early A.  Block 90 or 95, I think (vs our current Block 135).

Yes, but they've said that it will just be the early -135GR with the TCS Pod disabled and possibly removable as well as the appropriate weapons limitations.  They aren't removing the fuel tank pylons either as those are integral to their model.  Basically, it's a bonus model they didn't originally plan to make so they aren't going to redo the entire model to make it accurate to the Iranian -A and I can't blame them given the other modules they have on their plate already.

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On 1/4/2023 at 4:40 PM, scommander2 said:

I do not think HB will build F-14D (lacking non-disclosured information for it, I guess)....  Maybe there is a community version mod for F-14D, likes F-22A....  who knows...

 

Considering they've said they both would like to build one of they can get sufficient documentation for it AND said they are in the process of gathering information for one, I don't think it's too unlikely they'll build one eventually. 

 

With the IRST being classified, the best we can hope for is an approximation of its capabilities. HB would have to move from needing absolute documentation to "Suspension of Disbelief" on the capabilities. Between statements made on the F14 Tomcast, and the info which is currently available on it, you may be able to do exactly that. 

 

I think it is far far far more likely we see a B Upgrade with PTID/EGI before any D though. 

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2 hours ago, Whiskey11 said:

HB would have to move from needing absolute documentation to "Suspension of Disbelief" on the capabilities.

That's the real kicker though isn't it.  Sacrifice the standard of realism from documentation/what the SMEs can tell them legally, or make something up that looks right.  They haven't done this yet and I think it will be a long while before they do a -D or -B/U even if they miraculously get cleared for the information or if they change their minds on making stuff up.  They still have to get through the remainder of the planned F-14's, the F-4E, the Eurofighter, the A-6E, and whichever Naval F-4 they pick before they should seriously consider adding to the Tomcat in such a way.  Maybe it happens eventually but I doubt we see it in this decade.

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The tomcat podcast gave a good level of detail on the IRST capabilities but obviously did not have any graphics of what the instrumentation looked like in detail or switchology.

 

I dont think the F-14D is ever going to see the light of day in this game. Maybe some other sim in 10-20 years once its all declassed. 

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