Launching DCS *MT* in VR (Steam)

[cfrag]

Unfortunately, another release without a fix for this issue.

For someone who routinely switches between VR and non-VR (for developing missions) this is becoming quite tedious. Please, ED, have a heart, and give us poor souls an MT VR option. It's just a few clicks in steam pipe for you, and a lot of hassle for everyone else.

Thank you.

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[Eugel]

That is disappointing. I was hoping to read "Steam Version: Added launch option for MT VR" somewhere in the patch notes...

 

[YoYo]

On 4/13/2023 at 4:08 PM, Eugel said:

That is disappointing. I was hoping to read "Steam Version: Added launch option for MT VR" somewhere in the patch notes...

 

The same but not yet, pity :(.

[cfrag]

Another release, another disappointment. We have Normy 2, but Steam MTVR is again a no-show. This is quite disappointing as it makes ED look like they have treat Steam as second class customers. A pity, really. Starting DCS takes some 2 minutes (from NvME no less) on my computer, and I can really live without having to start multiple times to manage my VR (turn it on or off). 

ED, please have a look at this?

 

[Gripen 4-1]

9 minutes ago, cfrag said:

Another release, another disappointment. We have Normy 2, but Steam MTVR is again a no-show. This is quite disappointing as it makes ED look like they have treat Steam as second class customers. A pity, really. Starting DCS takes some 2 minutes (from NvME no less) on my computer, and I can really live without having to start multiple times to manage my VR (turn it on or off). 

ED, please have a look at this?

 

Why don't you switch to standalone? It should work:

 

Steam (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

 

[cfrag]

Just now, Gripen 4-1 said:

Why don't you switch to standalone? It should work:

I'm sure it will work - thank you for the suggestion. I don't switch to stand-alone for many reasons. Central among them is that I have standardized on a single Launcher/Store: Steam, and got rid of the myriad of other Launchers Game stores (Ubisoft, EA, Rockstar, Origin, GOG, etc). I want one central place to have all my games, and it is steam for me. Since I'm also using SteamVR, it's the logical choice.

[Eugel]

It does work. But that´s besides the point.
When the MT update came out, they specifically said in their FAQ that there would be an option to launch MT VR, which several weeks and updates later, still isn´t there.

People (including myself) have their reasons to use the steam version, one of which is being able to easily switch between VR and Non-VR just by choosing it in the launch option.

[Appocalypsebr]

Why i have 2 MT options now?

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[Eugel]

Oh, does one of them work in VR ? That would be something...

[Pepsi]

@EugelNope. They are the same. Second entry derives from the new stable MT-option.  

[cfrag]

Another patch, another disappointment.

Sigh.

I'm not impressed, ED.

[cfrag]

I had such great hopes for yesterday's big patch that also included fantastic Sinai.

MT VR is still a no-show.

Let's hope that ED resolve the lingering MT issues with VR so they feel confident enough to offer it up as a standard feature soon.

Edited June 9, 2023 by cfrag

[RLSinCO]

11 hours ago, cfrag said:

I had such great hopes for yesterday's big patch that also included fantastic Sinai.

MT VR is still a no-show.

Let's hope that ED resolve the lingering MT issues with VR so they feel confident enough to offer it up as a standard feature soon.

 

VR in MT works perfect for me and others.  It's probably something in your system, sorry.

[cfrag]

47 minutes ago, RLSinCO said:

It's probably something in your system, sorry.

It's ED not offering MT-VR as start-up option for DCS in Steam. It's their choice, and I conclude that they simply deem it not yet ready.

No sorry needed.

[DCoffey]

4 hours ago, RLSinCO said:

VR in MT works perfect for me and others.  It's probably something in your system, sorry.

Yes for me as well, was a significant improvement. I was getting 18-22ish frame in marianas on missions now its a steady 36

[cfrag]

Let us hope that ED soon agree that MT-VR is production worthy for the Steam crowd, and they then add that option to the Steam launcher. I'm really looking forward to that. 

[Eugel]

13 hours ago, RLSinCO said:

VR in MT works perfect for me and others.  It's probably something in your system, sorry.

No, it´s not about his system. As cfrag already wrote, the steam version does not offer an option to launch MT in VR mode. The only way to get it to work is to fiddle with launch parameters and force it to use Open XR. And if you do, you can´t open DCS in 2D mode.
When the MT update came out, they said there would be a MT VR option in the launch menu, and frankly, it´s a shame that after months this simple option has not been added yet.

[Buzzer1977]

On 6/10/2023 at 11:07 AM, Eugel said:

No, it´s not about his system. As cfrag already wrote, the steam version does not offer an option to launch MT in VR mode. The only way to get it to work is to fiddle with launch parameters and force it to use Open XR. And if you do, you can´t open DCS in 2D mode.
When the MT update came out, they said there would be a MT VR option in the launch menu, and frankly, it´s a shame that after months this simple option has not been added yet.

[cfrag]

Thank you, @Buzzer1977 - using the force_enable switch does work mostly with my setup (VivePro2), and I have to ignore only a few dire warnings.

What gets old quickly is that each time that I want to switch between non-VR (which I do regularly since I design missions) and then back to VR (to test the mission) I have to remember to edit the properties. Should I forget or mistype, I need to exit DCS again, edit properties, and start again. 

Since adding a VR MT Start option is trivial for ED (a few clicks in steampipe), I believe that a couple of open issues are holding them back, and I'm looking forward to the time when they resolve those, and I'll be able to enjoy full MT in VR.

[cfrag]

Somewhat disappointing MT VR is still a no-show for Steam DCS in the brand new DCS 2.9 - which is doubly disappointing since I wanted to test some of the new DLSS features in VR.

@BIGNEWY do you have some indication from the team if/when full support for Multi-Threaded VR will come to Steam DCS? 

Thank you for any insight you may be able to share with us.

-ch

[Q3ark]

5 hours ago, cfrag said:

Somewhat disappointing MT VR is still a no-show for Steam DCS in the brand new DCS 2.9 - which is doubly disappointing since I wanted to test some of the new DLSS features in VR.

@BIGNEWY do you have some indication from the team if/when full support for Multi-Threaded VR will come to Steam DCS? 

Thank you for any insight you may be able to share with us.

-ch

 

On 3/28/2023 at 12:14 AM, Mike_CK said:

It’s not too hard to do it. Just get your VR apps up and ready to go. Go to steam (2d version) and select the MT option for DCS. Run it. When DCS opens, confirm it says multithreaded version in bottom right, go into options and click on “enable VR headset”. It will close and auto run the MT versus 

it’s a pain but worth it when I can now play VR in a MP PvP server and get a steady 45fps at 1.3bp. Used to be about 15-25

 

Following the procedure posted by Mike_CK still works in 2.9. 

[cfrag]

14 minutes ago, Q3ark said:

Following the procedure posted by Mike_CK still works in 2.9. 

Thank you, @Q3ark, that is indeed something that mostly works. But it is a highly annoying work-around that requires multiple start-up of DCS, when Steam can offer (it is built to do so) a simple option to select MTV that does not require multiple re-starts of DCS. For someone who creates missions, doubling (or tripling on many occasions) the amount of re-starts that are required for testing becomes incredibly annoying (especially if it can be avoided by adding a simple setting in SteamPipe, Steam's integrated content delivery system).

So I'm hoping for native Steam MTVR support from the kind people at ED to bring a good UX to their Steam customers. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by cfrag

[Fauda]

Fully agree with @cfrag here. Restarting multiple times for using the editor or playing is annoying. I would love to have new options in steam or switch the default to MT.

[cfrag]

THANK YOU, ED!