Cold Start

[Old Greybeard]

Hello, will there be an option for cold-start missions with this campaign?

[rob10]

That would be a great option to have!

[Gasalon]

Yep Hot Start only makes this a definite “do not buy” thingy for me

Edited March 12, 2023 by Gasalon

[Gruman]

+1

[wowbagger]

I think the idea behind this campaign was missions that are easy to hop in and get to the target in a reasonably short amount of time, without dealing with ingress durations of 40min + . As someone who has to squeeze sim time around real life stuff I appreciate someone bringing this approach. There are already plenty of campaigns that go the opposite direction.

To be slightly more constructive than "hot start = no buy" (I mean, c'mon), it should be possible to provide two versions (hot start & cold start) with a minimum of extra effort. Heatblur did it with the Tomcat campaign I believe. There are other campaigns which offer different versions of the same campaign, changing things like difficulty or refueling required etc. Just resaving a second set of the missions with cold start would be possible, should Looking Glass wish to do so  - although it could mess with some waypoint timings, I don't know.

Edited March 12, 2023 by wowbagger

[Gasalon]

I did not say that the campaign should force users to cold start, my “yep” was just confirming the posts before that were asking for such an option. I have bought all Hornet Campaigns so far (didn’t like Rising Squall for the same reason). Cold Start is an integral part of a mission for me and a deal breaker if such an option is not offered.

[Looking Glass]

Difficult to implement in all misisons because of timings, taxi, marshalling. Will see if we can create cold start options and will keep you updated. We may issue these in future update or earlier, leave it with me

[Gasalon]

Much appreciated 

[rob10]

It would be nice (although I realize the complexity of implementing something that seems simple like this) to have mission start after you're in the cockpit controlled by an F10 radio call.  That would allow you to set up the aircraft the way you want before having to dive into things.  In the 1st mission there's not a lot of time to get things set up enroute to the range and if I was a new pilot it would be challenging to get weapons ready and what not.  It would also allow a cold start option.  Like I said, I know implementing this wouldn't be as simple as it seems on the surface, but that's how I would start into it.

[Looking Glass]

Done a few hours today trying to work in Cold Starts to Mission 2 as a tester. 

Too long to go into buts its causing major headaches. The mission elements were never intended to accomadate cold start and hot starts. Further limitations to parking slots and bugs are making this very tricky no matter which technique is used. 

Will try another way, another mission tomorrow. Thanks

 

[gunhead9]

Unlike the many other campaigns, I find the hot start here refreshing and something different. Direct entry. The gameplay, the story and the other usual options (air refueling, landing, TACAN, ...) are easily possible and integrated, in my opinion.

I really like it!

[splash]

I like this campaign as it is. I don’t have many spare time so simple and quick missions are very welcome.

[Looking Glass]

Thanks for the feedback. Good to see people are enjoying it. 

 

[Steel Jaw]

Yeah cold starts might just change my mind on the purchase...

[Old Greybeard]

Thank you for listening and adding this feature! Will be purchasing it right now. 

[Looking Glass]

COLD STARTS added

- Thanks thats great. We will continue to update and enhance the campaign. 

New features:

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Looking Glass

[Steel Jaw]

Aye.

[key_stroked]

Are we supposed to be able to choose between hot or cold starts? I just played missions 2 and 3, and it was a cold start for both of them. I prefer hot.

[Looking Glass]

All missions are cold start

[key_stroked]

Then why does the store page and the in-game description still advertise hot start aircraft as a key feature? It's one of the reasons I bought this campaign.


 

Edited August 6, 2023 by key_stroked

[Looking Glass]

Hi Key Stroked,
Due to numerous feedback from users we made all of the missions cold starts around version 1.5. Also, due to the platform constraints we could not make dual start versions (hot start and cold start options) for the missions. 

We can only apologise for this and as you rightly pointed out we advertised one of the main campaign features to be hot starts. We can only suggest that you use the autostart feature and fast forward time to speed up the mission starts. 

I know this can be frustrating so please accept our sincere apologies

LG
 

 

 

 

[key_stroked]

Well that's disappointing.

[wowbagger]

Ya, this is a let down. There are some very vocal parts of the community which don't necessarily represent the majority. The multiplayers tend to be far more vocal than single players, and I think the cold start players are much louder about it than hot starters. There are so many cold start options. You can also just hit autostop and then start up as you like. 

I'm not saying that everything should be hot start, and there are times when I prefer cold start. But more and more I think about flying a mission, look at the clock, think about sitting through one more start up ..( I mean it's the same freakin thing, every freakin time) ... and often decide not to bother.

The short, easy to get into the air aspect of this campaign was what made it stand out amongst the morass of Hornet campaigns.

Shame.

Edited August 15, 2023 by wowbagger

[Looking Glass]

Thats a fair point and we do actually agree with you, we love hot starts. Ideally we could have both but as mentioned DCS does not acommadate this and making dual mission or dual slots was just far too much work. 

Will bear this in mind as I do agree on the vocal nature of some players who made thier voices heard on this issue and it seemed sensible to accommodate them. Leave it with us and we will see if anything can be done. We may create both version now that the campaign bugs have been ironed out. 

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it

Edited August 16, 2023 by Looking Glass

[wowbagger]

Thanks for the thoughtful, honest reply. I appreciate you can't please everyone, and squeaky wheels .. etc.

  Recently, a couple of other campaign makers were asking why players seemed to have less interest in campaigns. I think there might too limited a view of what a dcs mission "should" be like - a lot of which is driven by some vocal players who don't necessarily appreciate that it's a game, is supposed to be fun and ought to be accessible, and can be enjoyed many different ways. 

 

  Anyway, thanks, I appreciate your reply and the position you are in. Hope it works out in the best way. 

 

Cheers

Edited August 15, 2023 by wowbagger