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LOL I expected many junks in their AF but I didn't expect so many!

 

I read article (in Polish) that now Russia would have problems to defeat even Poland or Turkey...

On beginning I didn't believe but after while and after reading article in 1st post I think it is more than only possible.

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The MiG-35 isn't some sort of bolted on add-on to a MiG-29. It's a new airframe.

 

Maybe they can refurb these planes to MiG-35s???

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At one point the article says that the MiGs are "too old". I don't find that likely. They shouldn't be that old. It seems more likely to be build quality or simply lack of proper care. I would guess the latter. The article says 1/3 of all are unflyable. I wonder how their Su-27s are fairing?

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So what if MiG-29's are not flyable? Dare attacking Russia? Many have tried ....

 

BTW, it is expected to have all these MiG's in ruins after several decades of inefficient Soviet Union economy. It will take several decades to revive and rebuild Russian society including Russian military.

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So what if MiG-29's are not flyable? Dare attacking Russia? Many have tried ....

 

That's the thing I'm afraid of. The state of Russian army is now only going to get better with time, so if someone was to do it, they would do it pretty soon :noexpression:.

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That's the thing I'm afraid of. The state of Russian army is now only going to get better with time, so if someone was to do it, they would do it pretty soon :noexpression:.

Their ground and air forces are not the only deterrent so the probability of an attack on Russia in the current state of the world is pretty close to 0. Also I don't think anyone is fit enough for such a large scale conflict.

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Lot's of MiG-29 airplanes were withdrawn from eastern Europe and squadrons they served with were disbanded so this doesn't surprise me at all. New Russian policy in warmachine production is much different than Soviet one. They're not after quantity anymore so having obsolete fighters is more of a threat to you than your potential adversary.

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And don´t forget the most important weapon in russian army.

 

NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

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Do you think their nukes were better maintained? Why do you think Putin was whining about the interceptor base in Europe?

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Nukes?! When it comes to nukes situation is even more critical.

 

But there's another kind of warfare lately and I believe it was put to test last month by Gazprom! As you can see, European gas reserves and alternative sources are inadequate in case of gas shortage so I don't expect any military action towards Russia to last long enough to score any benefit!

 

On the other hand, US economy doesn't depend on Russian gas flow so placing US missile interceptor base in Eastern Europe actually puts E.U. in economics trouble if Russia decides to blackmail it with gas flow reduction or cease. US would benefit in both cases, making E.U. dependant on U.S. and it's a great excuse of penetrating Russia with military.

 

We had oil wars in the past, so gas war being behind the corner in nothing impossible.

 

This is straying into politics so let's U turn! I just expressed my opinion which is allowed since most forum members live in democratic republics!

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And don´t forget the most important weapon in russian army.

 

NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

 

With launch rails eaten by corrosion ;) I'd dare you to push the button, they might not even leave the silo ;)

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Do you think their nukes were better maintained? Why do you think Putin was whining about the interceptor base in Europe?
Dare to check on the condition of their nukes? Why do you think nobody tried to get piece of Russia even during the worst economical situation there?

 

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They had no reason to. Why else do you think? ;)

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They had no reason to. Why else do you think? ;)
"They" do have a reason. Why do you think "they" are where "they" are with the military bases at this point in human history. The proof is a very recent event, that happened in the spring of 1999.

 

But lets talk military aspect of the military forces. Let's leave the politics on side.

 

The reason where most of the Russian MiG's, Sukhois, Tupoljevs, Antonovs and other may lay in ruins is the fact that Russia has nuclear ICBM's which guaranty that nobody can touch Russian territory.

 

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Having thousands of nukes = no need of more than a handful man in the Army. Nobody would dare poking a nuclear superpower even if their army is rusting.
Very well said. That is exactly my point as well.

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Remember there is another type of defeat... When u see enemy has poor army and is rusty u have bigger boldness to silent slow enemy impairment. Example zona de influencia can be "stealed". After this, encircled country is weaker and weaker and can't defend this zones - why? cos this weaker country won't drop nukes and classical army is too weak even to threat. I know nukes are more powerful but it is something with this when u have better classical army you are stronger in other eyes - and they are less courageous. My few cents to it.

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It is not a question of using nukes, or be able to using it, is a question of having it.

 

Nuclear deterrence is the point of interest.

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Strange that its brought up that many of their MiGs are not flight-worthy and so many immediately seem to be thinking along the lines of "Oh noez! Someone will attack them!" :noexpression: That thought would have never occurred to me.

 

Anyways, I don't think those MiGs falling apart is all that big of a deal. I would think that the majority wouldn't be up to the task of fighting a modern threat even if they were in perfect working order. I don't recall hearing of any massive upgrade programs, so aren't most of them Cold War era 9.12s and 9.13s sporting mostly old R-27s?

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The question is... if Russia allows their planes to get to this state then what state are their munitions in? Rounds, rockets, and dumb bombs are probably okay, but anything guided is most likely being neglected, unless it's under the Strategic Rocket Forces.

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So what if MiG-29's are not flyable? Dare attacking Russia? Many have tried ....

 

BTW, it is expected to have all these MiG's in ruins after several decades of inefficient Soviet Union economy. It will take several decades to revive and rebuild Russian society including Russian military.

 

first we need to clean the mess up from previous cold war games.

this includes the world rolling the sleves up to aid others cleaning the planet.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=633622&postcount=20

 

 

 

instead of building real hardware , if man wants to fight one another we have simulators and online

 

=no one gets killed in the end.

 

spending on military hardware in some countries =meantion no names , is getting ridiculous imo.

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