perfect time to bring bf-109 G6 in to DCS

[DD_Fenrir]

5 hours ago, Rex said:

I think it has more to do with always being significantly outnumbered  on MP servers.  I fly the 109 and cannot remember the last time I fought 1 vs 1, it’s usually me vs 2 or 3,  and we need all the HP we can just to survive.  Then you always have some Douche screaming “coward! He’s running away! Man up and fight fair and square ’  Because in real life all Luftwaffe pilots gladly participated in 3 vs 1 fights

If Red ever gets numbers, Blue disconnects en-massse.  You oh-so-brave uber-fighters who need travel pods just to hold your testes only get mouthy when you have numbers.

“No thanks, I don’t want 400 extra HP, I’m a real man!”

I guess real manly fighters in your world are mentally challenged.

Real men argue that his opponents should give up benefits to make it easier for the real man to win.  As if you’d willingly do the same.  Hey, you want us to refuse to re-arm too? Is more than half a tank of fuel unmanly?  How about we only fight with flare guns?  I bet real men could fight with nothing but their flares.

‘Not self-serving at all. Should we all ask our opponent’s advice on how to configure our airplanes?  I mean, it’s always the other guy that has too much power, right?  You ever hear anyone say ‘dammit, I have too much power and it’s unfair to my opponents”?

If you can’t win in the current Spit, and win often, with or without your opponent using MW50, the problem is you, not us feminine 109 pilots.  There’s two dozen Spit guys out there that make minced meat out of every 109 that has the misfortune of crossing their path.

Don’t ask me how I know.

Count me as one who will ALWAYS  take an Mw50 plane if one is available, and hate it if I have to fly one without.  Main reason is I fly with it 99% of the time, and have little experience without it, so I end up blowing up my engine.  There are only so many hours ins day, I don’t get to fly full time like a real pilot, and I simply lack the requisite time to brassily my testicles to your clearly-high  standards.

 

War Thunder mentality belong in War Thunder.

 You fly DCS for it’s fidelity in flight modelling, for it’s realism in modelling the systems, obliging you to operate the virtual aircraft in a manner as closely as possible as the real pilots were, dealing with all the foibles, limitations and idiosyncrasies that airframe presents.

Yet the moment you find yourself in a simulated historical situation where you are presented with a performance disadvantage that comes with a a scenario which is attempting to present similarly realistic parameters to the meta you fly in, you baulk.

Hmmm.

I wonder what your stance would be if the WW2 map was instead of Normandy, a West Wall ‘45 map and the Pony Jug and Spitfire drivers were bemoaning their lack of 150 Octane.

I suspect from your tone and general attitude that it would not be very sympathetic.

And that argument that you’re always outnumbered so you deserve it?

Try explaining that to a western Jagdwaffe veteran in the summer of 1944.

Lol, we haven’t moved very far from the playground have we?

 

[Skewgear]

10 hours ago, Rex said:

I think it has more to do with always being significantly outnumbered  on MP servers.  I fly the 109 and cannot remember the last time I fought 1 vs 1, it’s usually me vs 2 or 3,  and we need all the HP we can just to survive.  Then you always have some Douche screaming “coward! He’s running away! Man up and fight fair and square ’  Because in real life all Luftwaffe pilots gladly participated in 3 vs 1 fights

If Red ever gets numbers, Blue disconnects en-massse.  You oh-so-brave uber-fighters who need travel pods just to hold your testes only get mouthy when you have numbers.

“No thanks, I don’t want 400 extra HP, I’m a real man!”

I guess real manly fighters in your world are mentally challenged.

Real men argue that his opponents should give up benefits to make it easier for the real man to win.  As if you’d willingly do the same.  Hey, you want us to refuse to re-arm too? Is more than half a tank of fuel unmanly?  How about we only fight with flare guns?  I bet real men could fight with nothing but their flares.

‘Not self-serving at all. Should we all ask our opponent’s advice on how to configure our airplanes?  I mean, it’s always the other guy that has too much power, right?  You ever hear anyone say ‘dammit, I have too much power and it’s unfair to my opponents”?

If you can’t win in the current Spit, and win often, with or without your opponent using MW50, the problem is you, not us feminine 109 pilots.  There’s two dozen Spit guys out there that make minced meat out of every 109 that has the misfortune of crossing their path.

Don’t ask me how I know.

Count me as one who will ALWAYS  take an Mw50 plane if one is available, and hate it if I have to fly one without.  Main reason is I fly with it 99% of the time, and have little experience without it, so I end up blowing up my engine.  There are only so many hours ins day, I don’t get to fly full time like a real pilot, and I simply lack the requisite time to brassily my testicles to your clearly-high  standards.

 

skill issue

[Rex]

21 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

War Thunder mentality belong in War Thunder.

 You fly DCS for it’s fidelity in flight modelling, for it’s realism in modelling the systems, obliging you to operate the virtual aircraft in a manner as closely as possible as the real pilots were, dealing with all the foibles, limitations and idiosyncrasies that airframe presents.

Yet the moment you find yourself in a simulated historical situation where you are presented with a performance disadvantage that comes with a a scenario which is attempting to present similarly realistic parameters to the meta you fly in, you baulk.

Hmmm.

I wonder what your stance would be if the WW2 map was instead of Normandy, a West Wall ‘45 map and the Pony Jug and Spitfire drivers were bemoaning their lack of 150 Octane.

I suspect from your tone and general attitude that it would not be very sympathetic.

And that argument that you’re always outnumbered so you deserve it?

Try explaining that to a western Jagdwaffe veteran in the summer of 1944.

Lol, we haven’t moved very far from the playground have we?

 

Never played War Thunder a single time, but even if I had, you're spouting rules you have no ability to enforce.   You'll get the mentality you get, and beyond whining about it online, will be powerless to change it. I fly DCS for enjoyment.  You're the one crying because Bf-109 pilots use MW-50. "Waaaaah, the enemy uses War Emergency Power, they're not manly like me, waaah, it's all because they're unskilled, waaah, and they deserve to be outnumbered because I'm me and they're not, waaaah" ... yeah, real manly. 

Sorry ladies, he's taken!

I'll continue to use MW-50, because I get more enjoyment out of being able to use WEP ... especially when I'm outnumbered. Historical accuracy always comes second to my personal enjoyment, because, fortunately, I fly as a hobby on my free time, and not in defense of a nation in a war.  Of course, it's always the guys who always had the enemy outnumbered during the war that are always the ones screaming "historical accuracy" because it favors you.  Not really a complex psychological profile.  Real Jagdwaffe veterans flew outnumbered because they had no choice.  Exactly zero of them would have done so on their free time for their personal enjoyment.  I'm very confident that they would understand perfectly.   And if your really going for historical accuracy, you probably shouldn't have any opponents at all since the Luftwaffe wasn't around much during the Battle of Normandy.  Hey, that should be fun for you!  You can win every battle!   Or just spawn all of the Luftwaffe planes pre-crashed, and you guys could spend the session bragging over SRS about how you totally wiped out the enemy just like in real life!  GOOD TIMES!  I mean, why re-fight it, it's already been decided, amirite? And you won!  YAY! Historical accuracy for the martha focking win!!!!  USA! USA! Come on, everybody now, USA! USA! you folks in the back I can't HEAR YOU!  USA! USA! USA! USA! Ah yeah, that's the shiznit right there!

But get down on your hands and knees and thank your creator the Allies had the enemy outnumber because pilot vs pilot, the Luftwaffe waxed Allied fanny to a fine mirror polish.

Now, look, you're wasting valuable time that could be spent for making excuses for the top allied ace having only 40 kills while the Luftwaffe had 77 pilots with 100 or more kills.  "They had more enemies to shoot! uh uh, the soviet pilots were bad!, oh wait there were triple-digit german aces in the west too, um, it was MW-50, yeah, that's it, the MW-50 did it which means the Krauts were actually girls!, real men would have flown without MW-50, and without wings too!  ... uh wait,  the Allies only went after bombers, uh, uh different tactics yeah different tactics, uh uh look over there, a bear in a tutu doing the Macarena ... yoink, haha I win! made you look! ..."  Egads man, come on, we need you here DD_Fendrir (if that is your real name). What we need is a historian like yourself to straighten this mess out!

Edited April 29 by Rex

[Rex]

17 hours ago, Skewgear said:

skill issue

LOL, yeah, no kidding Einstein, you really cracked this case wide open  <shrug> 

Although then again, not really.  I suck with our without WEP.  WEP just makes me suck a little less, and it allows me to keep my engine running based on the fact that I practice with it.

We didn't all pop out of our mothers baby makers with the innate skills of flying a WW2 fighter, and there weren't many WW2 pilots with 70 hour/week jobs in a completely separate area, so yeah ... undoubtedly a skill issue.  Hell, who am I kidding, if I did this full time I would still suck.  I have the gonads of a mere mortal.  It could also be my frilly pink dress dampening my coordination.

But seriously, preferring the ability to have WEP if needed is a "skill issue"?  I would imagine that the best pilot in the world would prefer to have it.  Yeah, it's about 250 extra kg, akin to carrying a medium-sized bomb, but it gets lighter as it's used and it's also 400 extra HP.  I understand why the Allies don't want us to have it ... but then again, that's a skill issue on their side. (which you neglected to mention ... oversight I'm sure)

You know, I always wondered the WW2 servers were so terribly underpopulated, but in the course of one thread, you solved this mystery as well.   There are just not enough manly men like yourselves out there to fill out both sides.  Oh well, at least you have each other to play with.  By the way, which one of you is in charge of bringing the ruler?  Sorry, I meant, yardstick, I totally meant yardstick.  There's not a ruler been made that could measure the meat sabres on you guys.

Oh dear, somewhere in this world there's a middle-aged woman (or man) who's in for the 45-second ride of her (or his) life tonight.

Be gentle, fellas, Martha (or Mitch) is not as young as she (or he) used to be.

"WEP? WEP? I don't need no steeeeeeeenking WEP!!!!  I can take on any comer at half throttle!  Quarter throttle!  Hell, as a glider! Just give me two or three wingmen, and we'll totally take the enemy down!  That guy doesn't have the skill or testosterone to defeat the four of us!  It's historically accurate you know!" - Skewgear (slightly paraphrased)

 

Edited April 29 by Rex

[Nirvi]

On 4/28/2024 at 4:39 AM, Rex said:

I think it has more to do with always being significantly outnumbered  on MP servers.  I fly the 109 and cannot remember the last time I fought 1 vs 1, it’s usually me vs 2 or 3,  and we need all the HP we can just to survive.  Then you always have some Douche screaming “coward! He’s running away! Man up and fight fair and square ’  Because in real life all Luftwaffe pilots gladly participated in 3 vs 1 fights

But why getting in 1vs2 or 1vs3 all the time? Coordinate with other players will make you survival rate much, much better than MW50 ever could. 

I only fly the Anton, so from a performance standpoint, I'm always at a disadvantage. So to counter this, use tactics. Allies have the number advantage most of the time, but axis side has the better teamplay most of the time. 

[Rex]

1 hour ago, Nirvi said:

But why getting in 1vs2 or 1vs3 all the time? Coordinate with other players will make you survival rate much, much better than MW50 ever could. 

I only fly the Anton, so from a performance standpoint, I'm always at a disadvantage. So to counter this, use tactics. Allies have the number advantage most of the time, but axis side has the better teamplay most of the time. 

Well sure, when the opportunity presents itself I do exactly that.  Participation can get really low, though, Axis is typically worse than allies, and often he few people on aren't using SRS.  But the times they are (which also happens), all of the MW50 planes tend to get snapped up first.  And why wouldn't they?  Why would I not want to use MW50?  Why would I NOT want the 400 extra horsepower?  Group tactics vs MW-50 ... what does one have to do with the other?  Most pilots do both when they can.  They're not really related.

As far as not using MW-50, I could dogfight in the F/A-18 without using afterburner too, I'm just not sure what the point would be. 

Because some guy on the forums says I have a small willy if I use afterburner?  I gotta be honest with you, it's just not a compelling enough reason.  What do I care if my opponent doesn't like what I do?  That's a good thing.  And if we ever hope to attract more people to the WW2 servers, chances are, they're going to probably use MW50.  I'm not going to come on the forums and insult them.  I'd hope the rest of you wouldn't either.   Every really really good DCS pilot I've met has had humility.  I haven't met one that's worth a damn who insults the less skilled pilots. They certainly don't hang out on the forums telling other people how <profanity>ty and unmanly they are. 

That's just not something that skilled people tend to do.

Edited April 29 by Rex

[DD_Fenrir]

4 hours ago, Rex said:

Well sure, when the opportunity presents itself I do exactly that.  Participation can get really low, though, Axis is typically worse than allies, and often he few people on aren't using SRS.  But the times they are (which also happens), all of the MW50 planes tend to get snapped up first.  And why wouldn't they?  Why would I not want to use MW50?  Why would I NOT want the 400 extra horsepower?  Group tactics vs MW-50 ... what does one have to do with the other?  Most pilots do both when they can.  They're not really related.

As far as not using MW-50, I could dogfight in the F/A-18 without using afterburner too, I'm just not sure what the point would be. 

Because some guy on the forums says I have a small willy if I use afterburner?  I gotta be honest with you, it's just not a compelling enough reason.  What do I care if my opponent doesn't like what I do?  That's a good thing.  And if we ever hope to attract more people to the WW2 servers, chances are, they're going to probably use MW50.  I'm not going to come on the forums and insult them.  I'd hope the rest of you wouldn't either.   Every really really good DCS pilot I've met has had humility.  I haven't met one that's worth a damn who insults the less skilled pilots. They certainly don't hang out on the forums telling other people how <profanity>ty and unmanly they are. 

That's just not something that skilled people tend to do.

 

Blimey, you do like to talk about male appendages a lot don't you?

Your obsession with them seems to be keeping you blind to the point, which has been repeated to you ad nauseum: this is about attempting some form of historical coherence.

The Bf 109K-4 with MW50 brings performance figures to a Normandy scenario that no actual Jagdwaffe piston engine fighter could achieve during the Overlord and Battle of Normandy period.

The Allied aircraft meanwhile are running at historically accurate performance settings; this incurs an ahistorical advantage to the 109.

The ideal solution is for ED or a partner to make a Bf 109G-6/14 with options for MW-50 (and even then, not all BF 109G Geschwader would have been equipped with the MW50 modded variants throughout) so we can simulate the correct model.

Or ED or their partners develop a 1944/45 West Wall map, in which you and your member would be entirely at liberty (and given your apparent penchant for them, no doubt be rigidly excited) to access 109Ks equipped with MW50 and fly them against Spitfires, Mustangs and P-47s running their current rating. However, it should also be noted that during the Spring of 1945 all RAF 2nd TAF fighter aircraft converted to 150 octane and had their rating boost ratings uplifted accordingly, so don't be surprised if some other similarly genitally challenged Allied types start calling you out on your apparent dimensions again.

Since these things are currently unavailable, restricting use of MW50 is the only - note ONLY - option left open to those attempting some level of historicity.

Don't like it?

Well fly somewhere else. Or get good. I know plenty of 109 pilots who do stellar work in apparently "castrated" Biffers. The fact that you don't has nothing to do with the volume of your package, but more with the consistency and quality of your grey matter.

Figure it out or find somewhere that panders to your need to have a performance advantage over your opponents in order to win.

Edited April 29 by DD_Fenrir

[DD_fruitbat]

15 hours ago, Nirvi said:

But why getting in 1vs2 or 1vs3 all the time? Coordinate with other players will make you survival rate much, much better than MW50 ever could. 

I only fly the Anton, so from a performance standpoint, I'm always at a disadvantage. So to counter this, use tactics. Allies have the number advantage most of the time, but axis side has the better teamplay most of the time. 

Have you read his posts, who an earth is going to want to fly with him???

[Rex]

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Blimey, you do like to talk about male appendages a lot don't you?

It doesn't really matter how much I like or don't like it, if you call people unmanly for using MW-50, it's probably fair game.

 

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Your obsession with them seems to be keeping you blind to the point, which has been repeated to you ad nauseum: this is about attempting some form of historical coherence.

The Bf 109K-4 with MW50 brings performance figures to a Normandy scenario that no actual Jagdwaffe piston engine fighter could achieve during the Overlord and Battle of Normandy period.

The Allied aircraft meanwhile are running at historically accurate performance settings; this incurs an ahistorical advantage to the 109.

If you want a "historically accurate" Normandy Summer 1944 mission, you'll be flying around Normandy largely unopposed, mostly strafing ground targets.   If the point is to fly against other humans, outnumbered and with disadvantaged DCS planes will be a tough sell to motivate them to provide that opposition for you. As regardless how historically-accurate it is, most people just don't relish being cannon-fodder for other people.

And while I get what you're going for, insulting you potential opponents is likely not going to make a lot of them want to give it a try.  Especially when a large percentage of the DCS community is already too intimated to fly MP as it is.  

 

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

The ideal solution is for ED or a partner to make a Bf 109G-6/14 with options for MW-50 (and even then, not all BF 109G Geschwader would have been equipped with the MW50 modded variants throughout) so we can simulate the correct model.

 

Fair enough, but who are you going to get to fly them?  Newsflash, you aren't the only one who enjoys prevailing every now and then, and I think you're seriously overestimating the number of DCS pilots who are chomping at the bit to be your foil.  Hell, with the K-4 we can barely get a decent Axis side going for very long, how do you think it's going to be with an older 109?

Again, I get what you're saying, but the Axis in DCS isn't being forced to fly under threat of being court martialed.  They'll only do it if they enjoy it.  This is the achilles heel of "historical realism".   Everyone trips over themselves to be on the winning side, leaving very unbalanced contests.  I doubt making it even more unbalanced is going to improve this.

You'll probably have to be content with flying against AI planes, which I suppose isn't always terrible, but there likely won't be enough Axis planes on SRS to team up, and after getting shot down three times in a row by Allied team tactics, chances are, you'll see a disconnect message and never see that pilot again.  At least on the Axis side.

We can argue all day whether this is right or wrong, or represents character flaws in these Axis pilots, but it doesn't matter.  It's what will likely happen, and efforts to shame them in the forums for doing so will likely be unsuccessful.

Of course, I could be wrong, but you might at least want to consider it.

 

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Or ED or their partners develop a 1944/45 West Wall map, in which you and your member would be entirely at liberty (and given your apparent penchant for them, no doubt be rigidly excited) to access 109Ks equipped with MW50 and fly them against Spitfires, Mustangs and P-47s running their current rating.

Careful now, it sounds like I may not be the only one obsessed with make appendages.

 

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

 

However, it should also be noted that during the Spring of 1945 all RAF 2nd TAF fighter aircraft converted to 150 octane and had their rating boost ratings uplifted accordingly, so don't be surprised if some other similarly genitally challenged Allied types start calling you out on your apparent dimensions again.

 

DCS folks skew significantly older than games in general, and most of them have wives, kids, jobs, etc.  They don't care if they're "called out".  I'm sure some do, but generally speaking.

 

 

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Since these things are currently unavailable, restricting use of MW50 is the only - note ONLY - option left open to those attempting some level of historicity.

Don't like it?

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Well fly somewhere else.

 

With the exception of certain hours during the weekend, you've pretty much summed up the current reality of the WW2 server situation.  People have already taken your advice.  You win.  Well done.

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

 

Or get good.

LOL, original.

9 hours ago, DD_Fenrir said:

I know plenty of 109 pilots who do stellar work in apparently "castrated" Biffers. The fact that you don't has nothing to do with the volume of your package, but more with the consistency and quality of your grey matter.

Figure it out or find somewhere that panders to your need to have a performance advantage over your opponents in order to win.

 

Do you mind if I ask how old you are? 

I'm just curious.

See you're the one who began whining about your outnumbered opponents having an advantage.  If anyone else does the same, it's a "skill issue", but somehow, your whining is an example of impeccable skill, and you seem to be completely unaware of the weird self-serving hypocrisy.   

And once again, I just offer my own observation.   People who are genuinely skilled in any given endeavor tend to have humility, not all, but probably most.   Perhaps you're a rare exception, but I reiterate, I've never encountered anyone who uses phrases like "get good" who was anywhere as good as they wanted people to think.  If I'm wrong, then I'm happy for your skill, but the fact is, most people aren't good at flying planes that were made 50 years before they were born, and aren't really motivated to do so with people like you running around saying "get good" because frankly, they can be challenging planes to fly well, and not much fun when people are crapping on you. One has to start somewhere, though, and in my humble opinion, people like you are chronic repellents to that potential.  Which is kind of a shame. 

Unless you really, really love flying against AI.

 

 

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Have you read his posts, who an earth is going to want to fly with him???

 

Yeah, what DD_Fruitbat said.  Nobody wants to fly with me.

Thanks for rubbing it in Fruitbat, if that is your real name.

 

P.S. Nobody reads my posts.  Unless they're severely mentally disturbed.

Edited April 29 by Rex

[NineLine]

I think everyone should take a deep breath before replying again. Thanks.

[Slippa]

Yep, and a nice cup of tea.

As someone that is wholeheartedly and undeniably severely mentally disturbed, I read the posts . 

OP has a point, a G6 to look forward to then? Perfect time for all the props that can be mustered. 

There. I didn’t bite on lots of points I could’ve and I managed to behave myself .