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I tested now in several different mission and setups. The older U22 jamming pod seems broken. After a cold start it does not warm up neither in mode A nor B , the KB-H/KA SL light never comes on. Neither does the MOTVERK light. 
Also it does not work if you set up a mission where you start airborne already.

And if you get targeted it does not jam at all.

The newer U22/A pod seems to be working ok.

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Snappy.


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Please note that a very frequent user mistake with the old pod is to accidentally select the mode that you would use for the new pod instead. It can be quite confusing, since the modes have different meanings for the pods and if you select the wrong mode, they will not emit anything.

For the old pod (U22), only Mode A will emit. Mode B is pre-heat.

For the new pod (U22/A), mode A will pre-heat, not emit. Mode B, D and E will emit.

(see the manual for more)
(not claiming you did anything wrong here, but I wanted to take the opportunity to remind people about this frequent misconception)

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4 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

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For the old pod (U22), only Mode A will emit. Mode B is pre-heat.

U22 should emit in A and E according to the SFI.

A is automatic mode - will pre-heat and emit, when hot and illuminated by radar
B is pre-heat
D is used when doing ground tests
E is emit mode

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4 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

Please note that a very frequent user mistake with the old pod is to accidentally select the mode that you would use for the new pod instead. It can be quite confusing, since the modes have different meanings for the pods and if you select the wrong mode, they will not emit anything.

For the old pod (U22), only Mode A will emit. Mode B is pre-heat.

For the new pod (U22/A), mode A will pre-heat, not emit. Mode B, D and E will emit.

(see the manual for more)
(not claiming you did anything wrong here, but I wanted to take the opportunity to remind people about this frequent misconception)

With all due respect @Zabuzard, your mentioned own manual says otherwise or is written wrong , the page for the older U22 pod says

the following:
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Regardless of that , the U22 Pod does not pre-heat in mode B either . Its broken completely.

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Snappy


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You are kinda missing my point. A lot of people think the pod does not work, because they follow the procedure for the (newer) U22/A pod and set their mode to, essentially, not-A. But then the old pod will not emit, which is intended behavior.

This goes more as a general comment for readers. It is not a critique to your bug report.

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2 minutes ago, Zabuzard said:

You are kinda missing my point. A lot of people think the pod does not work, because they follow the procedure for the (newer) U22/A pod and set their mode to, essentially, not-A. But then the old pod will not emit, which is intended behavior.

This goes more as a general comment for readers. It is not a critique to your bug report.

Ok, then I misunderstood your point. 

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36 minutes ago, MYSE1234 said:

U22 should emit in A and E according to the SFI.

A is automatic mode - will pre-heat and emit, when hot and illuminated by radar
B is pre-heat
D is used when doing ground tests
E is emit mode

Can you be more precise on your source for mode E on the (old) U22 pod? Would be very helpful 🙂👍

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Hello , and what about the " Anti Jamming (AS) Filter mode selector"? It seems to be inoperative.

This mode would undoubtedly be an important addition for the defense of the Viggen and would add complexity to our beloved plane .

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13 hours ago, Snappy said:

With all due respect @Zabuzard, your mentioned own manual says otherwise or is written wrong , the page for the older U22 pod says

the following:
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Regardless of that , the U22 Pod does not pre-heat in mode B either . Its broken completely.

Kind regards,

Snappy

 

I don't see where the manual is in contradiction to what @Zabuzard said? Just like he said, the manual states, that pre-heat can be done in mode A or B, but it nowhere says that mode B will emit.

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2 hours ago, Spirale said:

Hello , and what about the " Anti Jamming (AS) Filter mode selector"? It seems to be inoperative.

This mode would undoubtedly be an important addition for the defense of the Viggen and would add complexity to our beloved plane .

Exact documentation on how the various modes work is quite sparse and some of it also does not fit well into DCS. The modes are not magic, they adjust noise/gain ratios and similar stuff. The controlled-dampening effect of some of the modes is actually implemented to some extend (even if the manual doesnt say so). Which is why, when you click around, the radar image actually changes slightly. Here is a decent enough overview from the SFI:


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Anyways, lets maybe move that topic to a different thread if you want more info on it 🙂

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1 hour ago, QuiGon said:

I don't see where the manual is in contradiction to what @Zabuzard said? Just like he said, the manual states, that pre-heat can be done in mode A or B, but it nowhere says that mode B will emit.

Like I wrote above it was a misinterpretation of what he wrote . I took his sentence

„For the old pod (U22), only Mode A will emit. Mode B is pre-heat“

to mean that preheating was restricted to mode B .

I was focusing on the preheating part, not the emitting part. 

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52 minutes ago, Snappy said:

Like I wrote above it was a misinterpretation of what he wrote . I took his sentence

„For the old pod (U22), only Mode A will emit. Mode B is pre-heat“

to mean that preheating was restricted to mode B .

I was focusing on the preheating part, not the emitting part. 

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Oh, got it 👍

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Hey guys!
I reworked the section in the RC2.1 slightly to make it more clearly.
Please look at the screenshot and go through the text.
If you have any comments/suggestions, please leave them right here .... thanks!
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38 minutes ago, TOViper said:

If you have any comments/suggestions, please leave them right here .... thanks!


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21 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:


Thanks a lot for all the great work you are doing with the Viggen Manual, I’m currently flying the Mirage F1 exclusively but I intend to return to the Viggen as soon as the Kola map is released 🙏

Hey Rudel!
Kola map ... *ufffff* ... how long ... ??? No news, no forum, no nothing ...
Anyway, in the meanwhile we are going to stay here to polish up our beloved bird ...

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4 hours ago, TOViper said:

Hey guys!
I reworked the section in the RC2.1 slightly to make it more clearly.
Please look at the screenshot and go through the text.
If you have any comments/suggestions, please leave them right here .... thanks!
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Hi @TOViper! 

Very good. The only possible addition I can think of is under section Indication, Maybe add that "During preheating KB-H/KA SL light illuminates steadily and extinguishes when the preheating is complete"  Or something along those lines.

This could also be added to the Indication section of the U22/A pod description

kind regards,

Snappy


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3 hours ago, TOViper said:


Anyway, in the meanwhile we are going to stay here to polish up our beloved bird ...

Excellent news, the Viggen is unique and deserve to be better known 🙂

8 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

Anyways, lets maybe move that topic to a different thread if you want more info on it 🙂

Thx a lot 👍

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6 hours ago, Snappy said:

Hi @TOViper! 

Very good. The only possible addition I can think of is under section Indication, Maybe add that "During preheating KB-H/KA SL light illuminates steadily and extinguishes when the preheating is complete"  Or something along those lines.

This could also be added to the Indication section of the U22/A pod description

kind regards,

Snappy

 

sure I can do that!

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Hi @TOViper! 
Very good. The only possible addition I can think of is under section Indication, Maybe add that "During preheating KB-H/KA SL light illuminates steadily and extinguishes when the preheating is complete"  Or something along those lines.
This could also be added to the Indication section of the U22/A pod description
kind regards,
Snappy
Might be worth noting that the light does not indicate warmup, but rather that the device is cold and needs a warmup first.

This is important for the new mode E, that will be added soon, where, when you switch to it before finishing preheating, the light is illuminated but the device does not warmup in this mode.

Otherwise I can already foreshadow people switching to it right at the start, seeing the light being illuminated and then wondering why it never finishes heating up.
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9 minutes ago, Zabuzard said:

Might be worth noting that the light does not indicate warmup, but rather that the device is cold and needs a warmup first.

This is important for the new mode E, that will be added soon, where, when you switch to it before finishing preheating, the light is illuminated but the device does not warmup in this mode.

Otherwise I can already foreshadow people switching to it right at the start, seeing the light being illuminated and then wondering why it never finishes heating up.

Ah very good that you point that out, didn't know that ! Thank you !  @TOViper I'm very sorry, looks like the manual passage needs to be amended again ://

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