when real pilots used dlc?

[dave76]

i was wondering when real tomcatters were using the DLC DIRECT LIFT CONTROL .......I MEAN, ONLY DURING APPROACH AND LANDING TO INCREASE OR DECREASE LIFT/INDUCED DRAG? ( excuse for the capital letteres.....) 

[Dannyvandelft]

i was wondering when real tomcatters were using the DLC DIRECT LIFT CONTROL .......I MEAN, ONLY DURING APPROACH AND LANDING TO INCREASE OR DECREASE LIFT/INDUCED DRAG? ( excuse for the capital letteres.....) 

It's only active when the flaps are down, flaps are only down when you're landing or taking off from the carrier, (land take off is no flaps or maneuver flaps) so DLC is only used when landing.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[dave76]

2 hours ago, Dannyvandelft said:

It's only active when the flaps are down, flaps are only down when you're landing or taking off from the carrier, (land take off is no flaps or maneuver flaps) so DLC is only used when landing.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
 

sure ok.......i wonder if they ise extensively on landings......;)

[eatthis]

12 hours ago, Dannyvandelft said:

It's only active when the flaps are down, flaps are only down when you're landing or taking off from the carrier, (land take off is no flaps or maneuver flaps) so DLC is only used when landing.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
 

itl only activate while gear is down for me, and if you go full mil at all it deactivates it too

9 hours ago, dave76 said:

sure ok.......i wonder if they ise extensively on landings......;)

thats exactly what its for, im guessing its pilot preference because iv seen videos with it being used and not being used, i love it lol 

[Dannyvandelft]

Ah yeah good point! It could be gear activated rather than flaps. Didn't think of that, since the gear is down before the flaps come out, and the procedure in the break is gear, flaps, dlc.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[draconus]

Gear down is not required for DLC operation.

https://www.heatblur.se/F-14Manual/general.html#dlc-direct-lift-control

Quote

The DLC is engaged by depression of the DLC switch on the control stick with flaps down and throttles less than MIL. This causes the inboard spoilers to extend to half and enables the DLC & maneuver flap command thumbwheel on the control stick to control them. The DLC also requires the AFCS roll and pitch channels, the inboard spoilers and the hydraulic systems to be operative as well.

[bonesvf103]

If you are asking when they are used on the approach, from what I understand, if you are flying a good approach, you don't even need to use it and when you do, you should only need to tap it in the appropriate direction 2 times just before getting to the round down.

v6,

boNes

[2circle]

I'd encourage everyone to use it.  I flew the Tomcat in the early 2000's - before transitioning to Supers.  The Tomcat (at least the B/D models) are well overpowered, and DLC was useful in making fine adjustments in glideslope without having to reset power.  Basically we flew in a slightly overpowered condition and "bumped" down DLC to keep the jet on glidepath.  In a pinch (e.g. low at the ramp) DLC up could also save the day.  This was a feature that was sorely missed when we transitioned to the Super Hornet.  I know it's not specifically asked, but I'd also recommend landing with the speedbrakes extended and for extra drag, land with the external tanks.  Even during CQ, we'd fly with empty tanks just to get some more drag on the jet.  Boarding rates were notably lower with slick jets apparently as even just a very minor power addition was enough to cause the jet to float over the wires.

[eatthis]

On 5/18/2023 at 5:12 PM, 2circle said:

I'd encourage everyone to use it.  I flew the Tomcat in the early 2000's - before transitioning to Supers.  The Tomcat (at least the B/D models) are well overpowered, and DLC was useful in making fine adjustments in glideslope without having to reset power.  Basically we flew in a slightly overpowered condition and "bumped" down DLC to keep the jet on glidepath.  In a pinch (e.g. low at the ramp) DLC up could also save the day.  This was a feature that was sorely missed when we transitioned to the Super Hornet.  I know it's not specifically asked, but I'd also recommend landing with the speedbrakes extended and for extra drag, land with the external tanks.  Even during CQ, we'd fly with empty tanks just to get some more drag on the jet.  Boarding rates were notably lower with slick jets apparently as even just a very minor power addition was enough to cause the jet to float over the wires.

i thought boards out was natops? interesting point about tanks and drag, i heard maintainence didnt like taking them off either because the plumbing could be iffy? 
i can only talk about dcs but compared to the f16 or f18 shes VERY floaty, those things are bricks at low speed but the cat just wants to fly

[2circle]

On 5/19/2023 at 11:38 AM, eatthis said:

i thought boards out was natops? interesting point about tanks and drag, i heard maintainence didnt like taking them off either because the plumbing could be iffy? 
i can only talk about dcs but compared to the f16 or f18 shes VERY floaty, those things are bricks at low speed but the cat just wants to fly

Yes, S/B out is standard.  And yes, the tanks were essentially bolted on for all practical purposes.  The only time I ever saw jets without them was at the RAG during training.

[Spiceman]

On 5/19/2023 at 12:38 PM, eatthis said:

i heard maintainence didnt like taking them off either because the plumbing could be iffy? 

Maintenance didn’t like taking the tanks off for the sole reason that it sucked. You needed four guys on either side and one guy working the standpipes and the latch and you reached under and locked arms and grunted, groaned and cursed while the guy tried for five minutes to get the god damn standpipes to line up.