Hang at load: "can't open Objects[us carrier tech] table"

[Wiggo]

4 minutes ago, Wiggo said:

Ok. Weird. I did not get replied the problem yesterday anymore, with any other campaing, than Raven One. I will try today re-install the campaing, and restart it, and then try again. Is the end of the log the point where it freezes  or the point where I force dcs.exe down... (there is no other way out, I waited for many minutes yesterday before forcing dcs down). I could of also try to let it be in that window longer, but computer really seems to be doing nothing after the freeze, as the reading from drives end (thoug process still takes alot of power from computer, dunno really what is going on there.) I have pretty old computer, but clearly there has been no problems with it ever while playing. (i5 4960k+ 20gb ddr3 +gtx 960 4gb). Maby re-install dcs, but thats PAIN with my internet connection. And actually I re-installed DCS some time ago as I bought new ssd. The prob was also with install before it. But still, I will just let it be and see what happens with re-installing the campaing, cause clearly the problem replies with that very campaing. Btw I get also script errors in Operation Pontus campaing, everytime when I destroy something, just thought I will mention that if it has something to do with this. I think not, but just mentioning. But yeah, thanks for checking that MissionEd. folder. I had some weirdomobs before (couple of months ago) but I think it is more or less in condition now. I can report if I somehow get it working. Seems weird that it is just with one campaing, and no errors. Thanks alot though! 

BTW: Should I remove that autoexec file? What does it even do? (just for interest, maby learn something some day, as mentioned pretty new with dcs, but not with computers or gaming.) 

 

Umm. Now I just RESTARTED the campaign (what I have done million times before.. ) and it STARTED wohoo o/ . I noticed that update made happen that i did not get that replied with any other campaing anymore (as mentioned before) and now restarting the campaing made it load it normally, with my own logbook. Hope it stays. So the problem is gone FOR NOW, lets see what happens when time goes on. Thanks alot for your help and time. This is goddam weird...  But now I got that campaing working, it has been some time that I have even got the mission #1 loaded! Have a nice day !

10 minutes ago, Wiggo said:

Ok. Weird. I did not get replied the problem yesterday anymore, with any other campaing, than Raven One. I will try today re-install the campaing, and restart it, and then try again. Is the end of the log the point where it freezes  or the point where I force dcs.exe down... (there is no other way out, I waited for many minutes yesterday before forcing dcs down). I could of also try to let it be in that window longer, but computer really seems to be doing nothing after the freeze, as the reading from drives end (thoug process still takes alot of power from computer, dunno really what is going on there.) I have pretty old computer, but clearly there has been no problems with it ever while playing. (i5 4960k+ 20gb ddr3 +gtx 960 4gb). Maby re-install dcs, but thats PAIN with my internet connection. And actually I re-installed DCS some time ago as I bought new ssd. The prob was also with install before it. But still, I will just let it be and see what happens with re-installing the campaing, cause clearly the problem replies with that very campaing. Btw I get also script errors in Operation Pontus campaing, everytime when I destroy something, just thought I will mention that if it has something to do with this. I think not, but just mentioning. But yeah, thanks for checking that MissionEd. folder. I had some weirdomobs before (couple of months ago) but I think it is more or less in condition now. I can report if I somehow get it working. Seems weird that it is just with one campaing, and no errors. Thanks alot though!

 

3 minutes ago, Flappie said:

I have an idea. You should use Windows Resource Monitor to check which files are being accessed when the freeze happens.

1. Run it before starting DCS, select the Disk tab, start DCS, then tick "dcs.exe" in the top part of the Disk tab. All files listed in the bottom part are files accessed by DCS. They disappear after some time when DCS don't access them anymore.
2. From the moment you run the mission, Alt+Tab and take a screenshots of the Resource Monitor screen, until the file list does not change anymore, then attach them here.

 

I will do this if the problem still replies. Hope not..

[Flappie]

46 minutes ago, Wiggo said:

Umm. Now I just RESTARTED the campaign (what I have done million times before.. ) and it STARTED wohoo o/ . I noticed that update made happen that i did not get that replied with any other campaing anymore (as mentioned before) and now restarting the campaing made it load it normally, with my own logbook.

Great news! Chances are the issue comes from the logbook.lua, then. Can you please attach your current logbook.lua so I can compare it with the former? (Saved Games/DCS.../MissionEditor/logbook.lua)

[Wiggo]

1 hour ago, Flappie said:

Great news! Chances are the issue comes from the logbook.lua, then. Can you please attach your current logbook.lua so I can compare it with the former? (Saved Games/DCS.../MissionEditor/logbook.lua)

Now also the mission #3 started on Raven One Camp! o/ Thats the very same mission that was freezing before. Nice. I still attach my logbook.lua here. Thanks. BTW: Are the medals available only for certain coutries (players / users chosen homecountry)..? My logbook can be nice mess, as played a lot of user made campaings also.. 

logbook.lua

Edited June 10, 2023 by Wiggo

[Flappie]

Thank you. When comparing your files, I cannot find the error in the supposedly "wrong" logbook. I tried to mess with mine but couldn't get a freeze either.

7 hours ago, Wiggo said:

BTW: Are the medals available only for certain countries (players / users chosen homecountry)...

I have no idea.

Edited June 10, 2023 by Flappie

[Wiggo]

Hah was froze again at the morning (raven one mission 3, funny that its the same mission nowdays that onlyl has replied the problem). BUT I got around it fast. Now it helped just to create mission editor folder again, start DCS one time with empy logbook / new player -> started the frozen campaign -> ended one mission -> skipped to mission 3 -> test -> starts ok -> end mission -> quit dcs -> copy paste my logbook to new missioneditor folder that dcs just created -> start RO campaing msn 3 -> starts OK -> Heart attack cancelled -> GAME ON! . On next week, I think I just re-install DCS, and I get back to this only if it freezes so that I can´t go around it. Dunno if the fault is in my DCS installation, PG map, seems that it is not logbook. But it does not matter, this is beta afterall, as long as I can go around it. Some ppl have claimed same kind of situations couple of years back, with PG map itself, but did not find topic about that anymore, with quick looking. Thanks for looking that logbook file. There has been a lot of mess with it earlier, so good to know it is more or less OK. Now finally goddam playing DCS, afterall its weekend  

[Flappie]

I'm happy for you but this is quite a workaround. We need to identify and solve this issue for good.

I'm wondering: did you first fail mission 3 and then retried it in order to get stuck once again? I want to be able to reproduce this issue, that's the only way to fix it.

[Abr]

Having the same issue here, the logbook fix didn't solve it for me...

 

Edit: should add that it started after disable some mods. Tried updating to the current OB, and running the cleanup and repair guide mentioned earlier. No luck with anything. Have there been any alternate fixes?

Edited June 13, 2023 by Abr

[Nealius]

Since the recent updates and rebuilding my Saved Games folder, and returning my logbook.lua to restore campaign progress, I have not yet (knock on wood) had any Sim PostStart freezes.

[Abr]

It seems like its tied to any added deck crew statics on my end for what its worth.

 

How can I rebuild my saved games folder? And would that reset all my keybinds?

[Flappie]

6 minutes ago, Abr said:

And would that reset all my keybinds?

Yes it would, if you didn't know the trick.

Here's how to do it properly:

1. Rename your "Saved Games/DCS..." folder to any name you want, such as "DCS.backup". Do-NOT-delete-it, for it contains all your custom keybinds, settings, SP progress, statistics...
2. Run DCS, enter your credentials, then exit when you see the main menu. You have now a brand new "Saved Games/DCS..." folder.
3. Browse to "Saved Games/DCS.backup/Config".
4. Select the "Input" folder, then paste it into "Saved Games/DCS../Config". Now, your keybinds are back.
5. If you play SP missions and campaigns, you can do the same with your logbook (put "Saved Games/DCS.backup/MissionEditor/logbook.lua" into "Saved Games/DCS.../MisionEditor").

[Nealius]

Still happening on the current OB. Rebuilding the Saved Games is only a temporary fix. It always comes back.

[AKULA_OPTIMUS]

OMG it happened again, and removing the saved games didnt work this time. WTF is going on with this?? It makes missions useless from one day to the other without reason.

This cannot be, please.

Edit: Ok, it worked again, the thing was to load a similar mission before to "unblock" the loading. Then I came back to the troubled mission, and it loaded alright.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by AKULA_OPTIMUS

[Nealius]

22 minutes ago, AKULA_OPTIMUS said:

load a similar mission before to "unblock" the loading. Then I came back to the troubled mission, and it loaded alright.

I've had this work occasionally in the past but after a couple of times it stops working again. It's getting really frustrating when you spend $146 on the Hornet, Supercarrier, and a campaign only to not be able to use them in any situation except your own personal missions without static deck crew and such.

[Flappie]

I've never encountered this issue. If you have any idea about how to reproduce it, I'm all hears.

[Nealius]

Whatever it is, it's only happening to a select group of people, which means there's gotta be a common trend among us somewhere.

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2023-09-08 10:33:03.882 ERROR   wInfo (Main): can't open Objects[AS32-36A] table
2023-09-08 10:33:03.883 ERROR   wInfo (Main): can't open Objects[AS32-31A] table
2023-09-08 10:33:03.883 WARNING LOG (7752): 2 duplicate message(s) skipped.
2023-09-08 10:33:03.883 ERROR   wInfo (Main): can't open Objects[AS32-p25] table
2023-09-08 10:33:03.883 WARNING LOG (7752): 1 duplicate message(s) skipped.
2023-09-08 10:33:03.883 ERROR   wInfo (Main): can't open Objects[AS32-31A] table
2023-09-08 10:33:03.883 ERROR   wInfo (Main): can't open Objects[CV_59_H60] table
2023-09-08 10:33:03.884 ERROR   wInfo (Main): can't open Objects[us carrier tech] table

Unlikely to help, but what exactly are these "tables" anyways, and where are they located? Maybe Windows is causing some tomfoolery with access rights to these files.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Nealius

[Nealius]

Still happening on 2.9. Clearing Saved Games folder does not resolve. Looks like others are still having the issue as well:

Supercarrier+Tomcat+campaign=$144.97 spent on something you can't even play because of an unresolved game hang.

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Nealius

[captain_dalan]

19 hours ago, Nealius said:

Still happening on 2.9. Clearing Saved Games folder does not resolve. Looks like others are still having the issue as well:

Supercarrier+Tomcat+campaign=$144.97 spent on something you can't even play because of an unresolved game hang.

 

 

I've been experimenting with something on the latest build (2.9). If you experience this on any mission or campaign, open up your pilot log page inside DCS and change something trivial about it. Like say..... squadron.

I had another issue after the update to 2.9. I had to uninstall Sinai map to update, as i ran out of SSD space. After the update finished, i installed Sinai again, but some missions on the Persian Gulf, wouldn't work because of hanging load times. And these were build in Instant Action missions. Nothing fancy or custom made. I changed my squadron in my logbook, from VF-1 to VF-143 and tried to run the missions. They loaded without issue. I tried my only active campaign (Zone 5), and that worked as well. I've only tried Through the Inferno MP thus far and that loaded without issues. 

I can't say for sure, as  there a loads of missions i haven't tried yet, especially with multiple aircraft, but if a stumble upon a loading issue, i'll try to record a video about it.
Hope this helps! 

[Nealius]

1 hour ago, captain_dalan said:

I've been experimenting with something on the latest build (2.9). If you experience this on any mission or campaign, open up your pilot log page inside DCS and change something trivial about it. Like say..... squadron.

I'll give that a try. Right now it seems to be a particular mission made before or during 2.8. All supercarrier missions I made later in 2.8 run fine. One workaround that worked for me yesterday is if I run a supercarrier mission that works, then run the "bugged" mission after, the "bugged" mission will load instantaneously without even a load screen. 

[captain_dalan]

22 hours ago, Nealius said:

I'll give that a try. Right now it seems to be a particular mission made before or during 2.8. All supercarrier missions I made later in 2.8 run fine. One workaround that worked for me yesterday is if I run a supercarrier mission that works, then run the "bugged" mission after, the "bugged" mission will load instantaneously without even a load screen. 

Roger that. Do update on your situation. I'm also curious on this bug, as it's only a recent development for me

[Nealius]

This is still happening, but only with my one Marianas mission for some reason. 

Additionally I noticed the log file does not get hung up on the carrier deck table, but rather some F-14A missing item entries. 

[Flappie]

Can you please share your miz file? I'm yet to encounter this issue.

[Nealius]

@Flappie Attached the file and some logs. Happens even if I uninstall mods (I only use E19 sounds and various texture mods like tanker lights, Viper roughmets, etc.). Happens when I clear the fxo/metashaders folders. Still happens after I rebuild my entire Saved Games folder.

New symptom as well: If I bounce between MT and ST it will load on the second run. So for example if it hangs in MT, I kill DCS, then play it on ST it works. If it hangs in ST, I kill DCS, then play it on MT, it will work. 

It now doesn't hang at loading deck crew tables but hangs at some F-14A errors. However when the mission does work, it logs the exact same errors without getting stuck. It's really not making much sense. This mission gets the hangs most often, however some days I will have EVERY supercarrier mission I have on Syria and Sinai hang up as well.

 

A-Marianas-Sandbox-Wx.miz MT-Run.log ST-PostStart.log

[Nealius]

Adding more logs. One hangup on Marianas, one normal load in Syria. No mods installed.

Note how the hangups occur at this line:
 

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ERROR WORLDGENERAL (Main): Error: Unit [F-14A-135-GR]: No cell for property records CELL#147 CELL#150 CELL#164 CELL#166 CELL#169 CELL#170 CELL#178 CELL#179 CELL#180 CELL#184 CELL#185.

While in the mission that loads normally, that line is processed and the mission is loaded immediately after:
 

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ERROR WORLDGENERAL (Main): Error: Unit [F-14A-135-GR]: No cell for property records CELL#147 CELL#150 CELL#164 CELL#166 CELL#169 CELL#170 CELL#178 CELL#179 CELL#180 CELL#184 CELL#185.
INFO LUA (Main): Lua: States: 682, CPU load: 0.9%, Mem: 484.5 MB
INFO EDCORE (Main): Created game pool: h:2 n:2 l:2
INFO Dispatcher (Main): loadMission Done: Сontrol passed to the player

Why would DCS get hung up before the "lua states" and "created game pool" loading? 

dcs-nomods-hang.log dcs-normalload-Syria.log

[Nealius]

App hang was starting to expand to other missions as well, even ones created by other users. Potential fix was clearing the DCS folder in AppData/Local/Temp. 

[Wiggo]

On 5/20/2023 at 9:41 PM, Flappie said:

@Amech_DE If this issue only happens to you when running the same mission, try this:

1. Browse to C:/Users/your_login/AppData/Local/Temp.
2. Delete any folder starting with "DCS".

Does it help?

Weirdly, this WORKED but only once. Played trough a mission in Rise of Persian Lion 2 campaing-> started the next one, or at least tried to start -> back to same freeze. Now I havent got it working any more pretty much in any way. My logbook is old, but whole dcs install is now pretty new as reinstalled win10 for other reasons. But clearly it did not do anything. At first startup same thing. Can reply this only with rise of pers. lion 2, before it was raven one only etc. Very weird. I have had other aircraft mods, but only that kind that stays in mod/aircraft/planetype one directory (easy to remove). but yeah, have tried every trick I have, even reinstall whole windows Clearly it SOMETIMES correlates with new logbook + random delete this and that from /savedgames/dcs folder. But havent found ANY logic with it. With new user i can SOMETIMES get it load the campaing, but that is more rare than the freeze. If and when it is a spawn thing, could it be the campaing itself that causes it?

 

EDIT: And yes, clearly something halts loading of DCS.exe totally. CPU Usage gets to 0% pretty much immediatly as the "sim poststart" text appears. It loads random amount of stuff (seen in ram usage)-> then freeze + cpu usage 0%. Ok lets face it DCS sometimes stays in that screen for a moment, but it does not cut down the cpu usage in any moment if loading correclty (at least in my computer). BUT this problem shows out in a way that it just stops whole cpu usage of DCS.exe (it jumps around 0-0,2%, so pretty much just win 10 holding on with it I think..) Have stayed in that screen for 6 hours one time, just for kicks, but no. CPU usage just goes down and stays there. This got to has something to do with logbook / msn editor folder + campaing spawns or something itself. dcserror logs are pretty much no good because as mentioned before, DCS just halts. It gives some errors though with those units. Well as long as this doesnt show up in any other campaign -> I dont mind. OFC would be nice to play that campaign someday to its end, but it is only one campaing. More likely I am interest to see if this causes problems in future still with new campaings. I have had the problem at least in Raven One campaing (not anymore, dont know what changed) and ROPL2. What missions are you guys loading? Just for interest..

Edited March 11, 2024 by Wiggo