not planned MiG-25 (Foxbat) in DCS ?

[Ronin_Gaijin]

2 hours ago, Logan54 said:

Nice radiocomms during start up and preflight check. Also like RSBN passing sound

Seems PD had flares:

And G limits: "Operational loading: - 4.5 G (MiG-25P) - - 5 G (MiG-25PD with a weight of up to 30,000 kg and a speed of up to 2.5 M, the extreme points of the wing deviate from the initial position by 70 cm) - 11.5 G (maximum permissible for the structure)"

 

 

Nice!
Which publication are these from?

[Logan54]

3 минуты назад, Ronin_Gaijin сказал:

Nice!
Which publication are these from?

МиГ-25П - FOXBAT-A, -С, -E | MilitaryRussia.Ru — отечественная военная техника (после 1945г.)

[Ronin_Gaijin]

On 8/17/2024 at 1:52 PM, Logan54 said:

МиГ-25П - FOXBAT-A, -С, -E | MilitaryRussia.Ru — отечественная военная техника (после 1945г.)

Thank you very much!

[SOLIDKREATE]

REJOICE!

 

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

 Sad but still good.

 

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

Very good in-depth CLOSE UP walk around review of the 25. 36min of just plane infor and no fluff. @Wags@BIGNEWY

 

May not give us a module but it could help update the AI model we have.

 

 

 

Edited April 26 by SOLIDKREATE

[Logan54]

6 часов назад, SOLIDKREATE сказал:

Very god in-depth CLOSE UP walk around review of the 25. 36min of just plane infor and no fluff.

An exciting tour with full respect for the history of this aircraft, with really interesting data on maximum G overload and speed limits that differ from the usual "forum experts". Enjoyed watching it. The only thing I disagree is "not much fuel for long flight". I read about in Aerodinamics of RB where written about 2 hours max time in the air with tank.

And I hope Vapour lab have some idea

Some performance data : 25P with 4 missiles can perform 360 degree limited turn (with constant speed, altitude and G load) at altitude 5000m (16 500ft), speed= 560km/h (360 kn) with G=3.7. I tested F-15E in this conditions it can perform this G load ONLY without tanks, without pods, and fuel state=18600 so it means MiG-25 can turn as no tanks F-15E with 18600 lbs fuel.

I also checked high altitude performance. I set 18000m (58000ft) and decide to maintain another 360 limited turn, at speed=1000km/h at 1.8G, that can perform Foxbat, but F-15E can not go at this altitude with this speed, so I decided to use less altutude.

I set 11000m (36000ft) and try to do 1 more 360 degree limited turn at speed=1100km/h (M=1.024 or 357 kn). I had to use fuel dump because F-15E could perform only G=2.2. After dumping and going with G=2.7 I looked at fuel state. It was 8200lbs.

Seems like Foxbat can be not so bad in maneurobility as many ppl think.

Foxbat is the most interesting cold war aircraft after all. And voting shows that dcs community really interested in this airplane. 

Edited April 26 by Logan54

[Mr_sukebe]

I think a Foxbat would be an interesting addition.  I also enjoyed the video, though I’m guessing that some of the claims might well have included a dose of “hype”.  Eg near the start, it mentions a big combat radius (900km??), then towards the end comments on how little fuel it has post take off and landing for flight time.  It can’t be both.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Very good in-depth info on the weapons system employment with RADAR symbology

 

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mig-25p-weapons-system.39524/

 

PD Cockpit

Edited April 26 by SOLIDKREATE

[skywalker22]

Indeed it would be so amazing to have a proper FF Mig-25 in DCS 

Btw, great video @SOLIDKREATE

[SOLIDKREATE]

Pretty cool RADAR Wepons Employment Manual I have =o)

 

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Edited April 29 by SOLIDKREATE

[Logan54]

For all who want to feel it in DCS, really capable mod. 

 

[Logan54]

 

[Logan54]

Created with Chat CPT:

Which aircraft from the list is most effective in aerial combat against F-14B, F-15C, F-16C, F/A-18C aircraft: MiG-21BIS, MiG-23MLA, MiG-25PD, MiG-29A, Su-15, Su-22, Su-27? Make up the top 5 starting with the strongest in long-range air combat, provided that the opponents have AIM-7 Sparrow missiles.

 

 

 

Of the aircraft listed, the Su-27 "Flanker" is the most effective in long-range aerial combat against the specified NATO fighters (F-14B, F-15C, F-16C, F/A-18C) when they are armed with AIM-7 Sparrow missiles.

Here is the top 5 ranking, starting with the most capable in long-range engagement:

Top 5 Soviet Aircraft vs. F-14/15/16/18 (with AIM-7 Sparrow)

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1. Su-27 "Flanker"

Why it wins: The Su-27 is the most modern and capable air superiority fighter on this list. Even early models hold a decisive advantage in a long-range duel against AIM-7-equipped opponents.

• Radar: Its N001 "Zhuk" (Mechanic) radar has greater range, better look-down/shoot-down capability, and can track more targets simultaneously than any other Soviet radar on the list.

• Weapons: It carries a combination of long-range R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar homing missiles and highly maneuverable R-73 (AA-11 "Archer") short-range missiles. The R-27ER has comparable or superior range to the AIM-7F/M.

• Performance: Its superb maneuverability, high thrust-to-weight ratio, and large fuel capacity allow it to gain positional advantage, sustain energy in a maneuvering fight, and stay on station longer. It can engage, maneuver, and re-engage effectively.

• Tactics: It can leverage its radar and data link to engage at the outer edge of Sparrow range while remaining a agile and deadly threat in closer quarters.

2. MiG-25PD "Foxbat-E"

Why it's #2: In the specific niche of high-altitude, high-speed interception, it is nearly unmatched. Its strategy is built around a single, powerful, long-range shot.

• Radar: The massive RP-25 "Smerch-A" (Flash Dance) radar has extreme power and excellent jamming resistance, allowing it to "burn through" enemy electronic countermeasures and acquire targets at very long range.

• Weapons & Tactics: Its entire design is optimized for a "one-pass" attack. Guided by ground control (GCI), it climbs to over 65,000 feet, accelerates to Mach 2.5+, and launches its large R-40 (AA-6 "Acrid") missiles. Launched from this profile, these missiles achieve kinetic ranges that can exceed the effective range of an AIM-7 launched from a lower, slower opponent.

• Weakness: It is utterly vulnerable after its attack. It has no maneuverability for a dogfight and must disengage at high speed.

3. MiG-23MLA "Flogger-G"

Why it's #3: Represents the best balance of range, avionics, and maneuverability among the older Soviet interceptors.

• Radar: The "Sapfir-23D" (High Lark) radar provides look-down/shoot-down capability and a track-while-scan mode, a significant advantage over earlier systems.

• Weapons: It is armed with the capable R-24R/T (AA-7 "Apex") missiles, which are a major improvement over previous generations and effective in the same BVR envelope as the AIM-7.

• Tactics: Its variable-geometry wing allows it to optimize for both high-speed intercept and slower, more maneuverable flight, making it more flexible than the MiG-25 in a developing engagement.

4. MiG-29A "Fulcrum-A"

Why it's #4: While a phenomenal dogfighter, it is the weakest of the modern choices in a pure long-range duel due to its limited radar range.

• Radar: The N019 "Rubin" (Slot Back) radar has relatively short range and a limited field of view compared to the radars on the F-14, F-15, and Su-27.

• Tactics: Its best chance is to survive the BVR phase using its excellent IRST, helmet-mounted sight, and extreme agility to close the range. Once within visual range, its R-73 (AA-11 "Archer") missiles make it the most dangerous aircraft in this list in a close-in fight.

• Weakness: In a stern BVR duel against longer-legged opponents, it is at a distinct disadvantage and must rely on tactics and countermeasures to survive.

5. Su-15TM "Flagon-F"

Why it's #5: A pure, no-frills interceptor. Its effectiveness is almost entirely dependent on external guidance.

• Radar & Weapons: Its "Taifun-M" (Typhoon) radar and large R-98 (AA-3 "Anab") missiles are potent against non-maneuvering, high-altitude targets on a head-on course.

• Tactics: It is utterly reliant on Ground Controlled Intercept (GCI). Vectored onto the target, it makes a high-speed, high-altitude interception, fires its missiles, and breaks away.

• Weakness: It has poor autonomy, dismal maneuverability, and would be easy prey for any of the NATO fighters if its first attack failed or if the opponent maneuvered.

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Summary Table

Rank	Aircraft	Key Advantage vs. AIM-7	Primary Weakness
1	Su-27	Superior radar, long-range missiles, and unmatched agility	Larger radar cross-section than some lighter fighters
2	MiG-25PD	Unmatched speed/altitude for extreme-range kinetic kills	Zero maneuverability, a "one-shot" system
3	MiG-23MLA	Best balance of range, avionics, and maneuverability	Outclassed by more modern avionics on NATO fighters
4	MiG-29A	Superior close-in combat and off-boresight capability	Inferior radar range for long-range duel
5	Su-15TM	Powerful radar & missiles for classic interception	Completely reliant on GCI, helpless in a dogfight

Why the others didn't make the list:

• MiG-21bis: Its radar is too short-ranged (~20 km) to effectively compete in a BVR engagement against AIM-7s. It would be shot down long before it could get its own weapons into range.

• Su-22: This is a dedicated attack aircraft (fighter-bomber). Its air-to-air capability is limited to short-range self-defense and it would be virtually defenseless in a BVR scenario against any modern fighter.