tripod3 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) P-14 Tall King radar, (rus - П-14 Лена / Оборона РЛС). Stationary variant "44J6" Range: 300 km - fighter jets; 400 km - large aircrafts Fixed major issue in code (thanks Recoil16 and Whiskey11) P-14 Tall King.rar Edited July 11, 2023 by tripod3 9 3 Mr. Croco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chen Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Oh, huge machine ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Reonic Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Big Target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod3 Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) Will be released right now. Edited June 18, 2023 by tripod3 Mr. Croco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod3 Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) First post updated. P-14 Tall King A radar v 1.0 added. Now it has pretty simple model but to be updated to hi-detail model in future. Edited June 18, 2023 by tripod3 1 1 Mr. Croco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod3 Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 Do not try to attack it with HARM: Tall King is VHF radar: 30-300MHz HARM > 500MHz 1 Mr. Croco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chen Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 thank your mod ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild_Weasel_31 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 @tripod3, can it be used as search radar for SA-5 Gammon SAM, as it was regularly used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod3 Posted July 5, 2023 Author Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wild_Weasel_31 said: @tripod3, can it be used as search radar for SA-5 Gammon SAM, as it was regularly used? Hi, both P-14 and P-15 are VHF radars, originated from P-12 radar, so you can remove P-15 from S-200 SAM template and put P-14, and SAM site will work properly. Edited July 5, 2023 by tripod3 2 Mr. Croco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild_Weasel_31 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, tripod3 said: Hi, both P-14 and P-15 are VHF radars, originated from P-12 radar, so you can remove P-15 from S-200 SAM template and put P-14, and SAM site will work properly. Fine. BTW, in DCS, Gammon SR is called P-19. And, for some reason, it has ST-68U Tin Shield radar, which, I assume, is from SA-11 Grumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okopanja Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 32 minutes ago, tripod3 said: Hi, both P-14 and P-15 are VHF radars, originated from P-12 radar, so you can remove P-15 from S-200 SAM template and put P-14, and SAM site will work properly. Slight correction here: P-12 and P-14 are VHF, P-15 is UHF, none of these radars have much in common and their use cases did differ. However, it is true that the soviet SAM sites could be fed with information from different search/EWR radars. Some of these integrations are direct, and some through posts not available in DCS. In addition P-14 was complemented by additional IFF radars, so perhaps there is a todo to model these as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild_Weasel_31 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) Maybe I formulated my question not clearly enough. The point was about using P-14 instead of P-19 of ST-68U in SA-5 site because of their insufficient range. We have weird situation now, when plane is well in firing range, but can't be fired upon, because target illumination radar cannot be aimed on it. I made a test mission, and SAM site didn't found a target. SA-5 Gammon.miz Edited July 5, 2023 by Wild_Weasel_31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okopanja Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Is the miz file vanilla DCS or does it contain the mod assets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild_Weasel_31 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, okopanja said: Is the miz file vanilla DCS or does it contain the mod assets? Yes, there are some SAM mods. HighDigitSAM, CurrentHill assets, SAMSitesAssetPack. But SAM site units are from core. Edited July 5, 2023 by Wild_Weasel_31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarres Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Wild_Weasel_31 said: Maybe I formulated my question not clearly enough. The point was about using P-14 instead of P-19 of ST-68U in SA-5 site because of their insufficient range. We have weird situation now, when plane is well in firing range, but can't be fired upon, because target illumination radar cannot be aimed on it. I made a test mission, and SAM site didn't found a target. Unfortunately, it´s coded in the LUA of the TR radar: RPC_5N62V.LUA in line 17: depends_on_unit = { { { "self", 2 } }, { { "RLS_19J6" } }, { { "p-19 s-125 sr" } } }, In order to make the P-14 to work with the S-200, we need the P-14t added to the "depend on unit" line. Edited July 5, 2023 by Tarres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarres Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Unfortunately it must be added in the RPC_5N62V.LUA that is coded and encrypted in DLL in the core files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild_Weasel_31 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) So this can be solved only by ED by adding this mod as core mod and changing these LUA files, correct? Edited July 5, 2023 by Wild_Weasel_31 19J6 is literally a ST-86U, whoops %) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarres Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Yes. Like correcting the 160km range of the big bird and add the tin shield to the S-300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Wild_Weasel_31 said: So this can be solved only by ED by adding this mod as core mod and changing these LUA files, correct? They never will do that. Fun is only for products developer want to win. If they begin adding improvements in their potential target modules, then fanboys go crazy sad and frustrated. Has been a long journey after Lockon (the Russian version of this simulator) change ownership. Edited July 6, 2023 by pepin1234 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey11 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) On 7/5/2023 at 12:06 PM, Tarres said: Unfortunately it must be added in the RPC_5N62V.LUA that is coded and encrypted in DLL in the core files. So what's great about that, is you can create a modded version of an SA-5, in theory, to use the in game assets, but with the modified LUA's.... there is a DCS Datamine available with all the requisite files. Myself and another are working on doing exactly that, but testing is required. We were able to "fix" the SA-10B in High Digit SAMs to use the Tin Shield, and it worked exactly as intended. Edited July 9, 2023 by Whiskey11 2 My YT Channel (DCS World, War Thunder and World of Warships) Too Many Modules to List --Unapologetically In Love With the F-14-- Anytime Baby! -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod3 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 On 7/9/2023 at 3:58 AM, Whiskey11 said: So what's great about that, is you can create a modded version of an SA-5, in theory, to use the in game assets, but with the modified LUA's.... there is a DCS Datamine available with all the requisite files. Myself and another are working on doing exactly that, but testing is required. We were able to "fix" the SA-10B in High Digit SAMs to use the Tin Shield, and it worked exactly as intended. Thank you a lot. I've started SA-5 modding and stopped due to lack of time. Mr. Croco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey11 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 hours ago, tripod3 said: Thank you a lot. I've started SA-5 modding and stopped due to lack of time. Don't be too hopeful... we have the assets in game and can be viewed independently of each other, but the minute they are put together, DCS crashes without anything in the crash log or an event viewer event beyond "DCS.exe encountered a problem and closed." Still in the early stages of investigating the shenanigans required... but work will continue as I'm tired of seeing an SA-5 engage at 60 miles when it can easily reach twice that! I'd also love to enable the use of this P-14 Tall King as it's search radar... but baby steps! Now we just need an Odd Pair to go with it! My YT Channel (DCS World, War Thunder and World of Warships) Too Many Modules to List --Unapologetically In Love With the F-14-- Anytime Baby! -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Recoil16 Posted July 11, 2023 Solution Share Posted July 11, 2023 @tripod3 Line 60 of sensors.lua should read declare_sensor(TALL_KING) it currently reads declare_sensor(BAR_LOCK) Due to this small error, the radar does not actually properly detect targets, as it has no valid sensor. 3 Everybody said: "That's impossible!" Then someone came along who didn't know that and just did it. Flying the A-10C for the 107th Joint Aviation Squadron Developing and creating missions for Through The Inferno Join the TTI Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey11 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 For those who don't want to open LUA files, here is the "fixed" LUA file for the P-14 to work correctly: sensors.lua Just replace in your Sensors folder to get it to work as a radar: C:\Users\XXX\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Mods\tech\P-14 Tall King\Database\Sensors And if you want to use it in something other than just as an EWR, here is a modified SA-5 which can use it as its search radar!: 1 2 My YT Channel (DCS World, War Thunder and World of Warships) Too Many Modules to List --Unapologetically In Love With the F-14-- Anytime Baby! -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod3 Posted July 11, 2023 Author Share Posted July 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Recoil16 said: @tripod3 Line 60 of sensors.lua should read declare_sensor(TALL_KING) it currently reads declare_sensor(BAR_LOCK) Due to this small error, the radar does not actually properly detect targets, as it has no valid sensor. Oh, thanks. First post updated. 3 Mr. Croco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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