P-14 Tall King radar - v 1.01

[tripod3]

P-14 Tall King radar, (rus - П-14 Лена / Оборона РЛС). Stationary variant "44J6"

Range: 300 km - fighter jets; 400 km - large aircrafts

Fixed major issue in code (thanks Recoil16 and Whiskey11)

 

P-14 Tall King.rar

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by tripod3

[chen]

Oh, huge machine !

[DJ Reonic]

Big Target.

[tripod3]

Will be released right now.

Edited June 18, 2023 by tripod3

[tripod3]

First post updated. P-14 Tall King A radar v 1.0 added.

Now it has pretty simple model but to be updated to hi-detail model in future.

Edited June 18, 2023 by tripod3

[tripod3]

Do not try to attack it with HARM:

Tall King is VHF radar: 30-300MHz

HARM > 500MHz

[chen]

thank your mod ! 

[Wild_Weasel_31]

@tripod3, can it be used as search radar for SA-5 Gammon SAM, as it was regularly used?

[tripod3]

1 hour ago, Wild_Weasel_31 said:

@tripod3, can it be used as search radar for SA-5 Gammon SAM, as it was regularly used?

Hi, both P-14 and P-15 are VHF radars, originated from P-12 radar, so you can remove P-15 from S-200 SAM template and put P-14, and SAM site will work properly. 

 

Edited July 5, 2023 by tripod3

[Wild_Weasel_31]

21 minutes ago, tripod3 said:

Hi, both P-14 and P-15 are VHF radars, originated from P-12 radar, so you can remove P-15 from S-200 SAM template and put P-14, and SAM site will work properly. 

 

 

Fine.

BTW, in DCS, Gammon SR is called P-19. And, for some reason, it has ST-68U Tin Shield radar, which, I assume, is from SA-11 Grumble

[okopanja]

32 minutes ago, tripod3 said:

Hi, both P-14 and P-15 are VHF radars, originated from P-12 radar, so you can remove P-15 from S-200 SAM template and put P-14, and SAM site will work properly. 

Slight correction here: P-12 and P-14 are VHF, P-15 is UHF, none of these radars have much in common and their use cases did differ.

However, it is true that the soviet SAM sites could be fed with information from different search/EWR radars. Some of these integrations are direct, and some through posts not available in DCS.

In addition P-14 was complemented by additional IFF radars, so perhaps there is a todo to model these as well.

[Wild_Weasel_31]

Maybe I formulated my question not clearly enough.

The point was about using P-14 instead of P-19 of ST-68U in SA-5 site because of their insufficient range. We have weird situation now, when plane is well in firing range, but can't be fired upon, because target illumination radar cannot be aimed on it. I made a test mission, and SAM site didn't found a target.

SA-5 Gammon.miz

Edited July 5, 2023 by Wild_Weasel_31

[okopanja]

Is the miz file vanilla DCS or does it contain the mod assets?

[Wild_Weasel_31]

3 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Is the miz file vanilla DCS or does it contain the mod assets?

Yes, there are some SAM mods. HighDigitSAM, CurrentHill assets, SAMSitesAssetPack. But SAM site units are from core.

Edited July 5, 2023 by Wild_Weasel_31

[Tarres]

15 minutes ago, Wild_Weasel_31 said:

Maybe I formulated my question not clearly enough.

The point was about using P-14 instead of P-19 of ST-68U in SA-5 site because of their insufficient range. We have weird situation now, when plane is well in firing range, but can't be fired upon, because target illumination radar cannot be aimed on it. I made a test mission, and SAM site didn't found a target.

 

 

Unfortunately, it´s coded in the LUA of the TR radar: RPC_5N62V.LUA

in line 17: depends_on_unit = { { { "self", 2 } }, { { "RLS_19J6" } }, { { "p-19 s-125 sr" } } },

In order to make the P-14 to work with the S-200, we need the P-14t added to the "depend on unit" line.

Edited July 5, 2023 by Tarres

[Tarres]

Unfortunately it must be added in the RPC_5N62V.LUA that is coded and encrypted in DLL in the core files.

 

[Wild_Weasel_31]

So this can be solved only by ED by adding this mod as core mod and changing these LUA files, correct?

Edited July 5, 2023 by Wild_Weasel_31
19J6 is literally a ST-86U, whoops %)

[Tarres]

Yes. Like correcting the 160km range of the big bird and add the tin shield to the S-300

[pepin1234]

7 hours ago, Wild_Weasel_31 said:

So this can be solved only by ED by adding this mod as core mod and changing these LUA files, correct?

 

They never will do that. Fun is only for products developer want to win. If they begin adding improvements in their potential target modules, then fanboys go crazy sad and frustrated. 
 

Has been a long journey after Lockon (the Russian version of this simulator) change ownership.

Edited July 6, 2023 by pepin1234

[Whiskey11]

On 7/5/2023 at 12:06 PM, Tarres said:

Unfortunately it must be added in the RPC_5N62V.LUA that is coded and encrypted in DLL in the core files.

 

So what's great about that, is you can create a modded version of an SA-5, in theory, to use the in game assets, but with the modified LUA's.... there is a DCS Datamine available with all the requisite files.  Myself and another are working on doing exactly that, but testing is required.

We were able to "fix" the SA-10B in High Digit SAMs to use the Tin Shield, and it worked exactly as intended.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Whiskey11

[tripod3]

On 7/9/2023 at 3:58 AM, Whiskey11 said:

So what's great about that, is you can create a modded version of an SA-5, in theory, to use the in game assets, but with the modified LUA's.... there is a DCS Datamine available with all the requisite files.  Myself and another are working on doing exactly that, but testing is required.

We were able to "fix" the SA-10B in High Digit SAMs to use the Tin Shield, and it worked exactly as intended.

 

Thank you a lot. I've started SA-5 modding and stopped due to lack of time. 

[Whiskey11]

3 hours ago, tripod3 said:

Thank you a lot. I've started SA-5 modding and stopped due to lack of time. 

Don't be too hopeful... we have the assets in game and can be viewed independently of each other, but the minute they are put together, DCS crashes without anything in the crash log or an event viewer event beyond "DCS.exe encountered a problem and closed."  Still in the early stages of investigating the shenanigans required... but work will continue as I'm tired of seeing an SA-5 engage at 60 miles when it can easily reach twice that!  I'd also love to enable the use of this P-14 Tall King as it's search radar... but baby steps!  Now we just need an Odd Pair to go with it!

[Recoil16]

@tripod3

Line 60 of sensors.lua should read

declare_sensor(TALL_KING)

it currently reads

declare_sensor(BAR_LOCK)

Due to this small error, the radar does not actually properly detect targets, as it has no valid sensor.

[Whiskey11]

For those who don't want to open LUA files, here is the "fixed" LUA file for the P-14 to work correctly: sensors.lua

Just replace in your Sensors folder to get it to work as a radar:  C:\Users\XXX\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Mods\tech\P-14 Tall King\Database\Sensors

And if you want to use it in something other than just as an EWR, here is a modified SA-5 which can use it as its search radar!:

 

[tripod3]

3 hours ago, Recoil16 said:

@tripod3

Line 60 of sensors.lua should read

declare_sensor(TALL_KING)

it currently reads

declare_sensor(BAR_LOCK)

Due to this small error, the radar does not actually properly detect targets, as it has no valid sensor.

Oh, thanks. 

First post updated.