F-15E Module Will Not Launch Into Any Mission

[Rudel_chw]

3 hours ago, audiodistortion said:

My ancient i7-980X still runs like a champ!

not really … your processor was top of the line on 2010, with a cpumark of 6800 and a max power of 130W … but 9 years later, a mid-range processor like the ryzen 3600 offered  a cpumark of 17,700 with only 65W … just the electric power saving would have paid for a timely replacement. 

[Lock-Os]

27 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

not really … your processor was top of the line on 2010, with a cpumark of 6800 and a max power of 130W … but 9 years later, a mid-range processor like the ryzen 3600 offered  a cpumark of 17,700 with only 65W … just the electric power saving would have paid for a timely replacement. 

But weirdly my specs are way above this and still the same problem

[audiodistortion]

9 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

not really … your processor was top of the line on 2010, with a cpumark of 6800 and a max power of 130W … but 9 years later, a mid-range processor like the ryzen 3600 offered  a cpumark of 17,700 with only 65W … just the electric power saving would have paid for a timely replacement. 

Synthetic benchmarks rarely translate to real world use.

I bought it second hand at the time for £250 so I'm doing ok.

Also consider the additional costs for different chipsets (new motherboards), RAM, cooling mounts. I've saved a bucket of money over the years.

It's also running DCS on average 90fps at 3440x1440.

Paired with a Titan X(pascal) GPU - it really does run great. and now we have MT... It only took ED 10+ years to catch up and unlock the potential of my CPU - it was worth the wait!

Now, if they can sort out this F15E crashing issue, I'll be euphoric.

Edited June 25, 2023 by audiodistortion

[Rudel_chw]

9 hours ago, Lock-Os said:

But weirdly my specs are way above this and still the same problem

That means it is not the same problem.

[ghostrider4515]

Been having this issue also with the game crashing while trying to load in only the F15E. chalking it up to the Cpu atm. hope it has a way to fix or its patched. My Wso been waiting for months and we got bummed out when i found it doesn't work. I got a Xeon x5650 @ 4Gh and its not saving crash files 

[Gripen-Whippin]

1 minute ago, ghostrider4515 said:

Been having this issue also with the game crashing while trying to load in only the F15E. chalking it up to the Cpu atm. hope it has a way to fix or its patched. My Wso been waiting for months and we got bummed out when i found it doesn't work. I got a Xeon x5650 @ 4Gh and its not saving crash files 

I am the WSO, can CONFIRM  , Respect for what you've created, but please fix the compatibility issues. This clearly isn't a hardware issue if he can load into every other jet just fine.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, ghostrider4515 said:

Been having this issue also with the game crashing while trying to load in only the F15E

Unfortunately, the xeon x5650 is another processor of 2010 that does not have support for AVX instructions, which are being used by this newest dcs module.

1 hour ago, Gripen-Whippin said:

This clearly isn't a hardware issue if he can load into every other jet just fine.

it is, but of course if the other dcs modules do not employ AVX instructions, they still run fine.

[Gripen-Whippin]

On 6/24/2023 at 8:48 AM, Warez27 said:

Official DCS minimum CPU requirements:  Intel Core i3 2.8 ГГц or AMD FX, both of them have AVX on board.

 

So I vehemently disagree, this statement of "min req" is Vague and Misleading at best, a Lamborghini from 1974 will STILL outperform a 2023 Toyota Prius.  I understand that Xeon users are rare, but you can't just say "i3 or better", the Xeon 5650 outperforms EVERY i3 released from 2010 to 2019.  They NEED to make it clear that compatibility issues will arise with the lack of specific architecture sets, rather than due to a "lack of computing power". I believe people should be entitled to a refund, this disclaimer was in no way clear that having a 6 core , 12 Thread, Xeon chip which is technically "better" than an i3, will not run it.  

 

[draconus]

On 6/24/2023 at 4:41 AM, Lock-Os said:

Been having this same problem too Every other aircraft works fine. But the F-15E CTD's on desktop when I load ANY mission with it in it.

dcs.log

Mods found, remove and try again.

8 hours ago, Gripen-Whippin said:

So I vehemently disagree, this statement of "min req" is Vague and Misleading at best, a Lamborghini from 1974 will STILL outperform a 2023 Toyota Prius.  I understand that Xeon users are rare, but you can't just say "i3 or better", the Xeon 5650 outperforms EVERY i3 released from 2010 to 2019.  They NEED to make it clear that compatibility issues will arise with the lack of specific architecture sets, rather than due to a "lack of computing power". I believe people should be entitled to a refund, this disclaimer was in no way clear that having a 6 core , 12 Thread, Xeon chip which is technically "better" than an i3, will not run it. 

Have you contacted support already?

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/

[Lock-Os]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

Mods found, remove and try again.

Have you contacted support already?

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/

Odd, might have uploaded the wrong log file.

But I did remove the Mods, nuked the DCS install and saved games folder, and reinstalled just base DCS and the F-15E and still got the same result of not being able to load into any mission SP or MP that had a Player F-15E.

After a full weekend and talking to other people, we are chalking this up to some really odd unicorn bug with my system.

[draconus]

8 minutes ago, Lock-Os said:

Odd, might have uploaded the wrong log file.

But I did remove the Mods, nuked the DCS install and saved games folder, and reinstalled just base DCS and the F-15E and still got the same result of not being able to load into any mission SP or MP that had a Player F-15E.

After a full weekend and talking to other people, we are chalking this up to some really odd unicorn bug with my system.

Can you show your new log trying to run F-15E mission or do you already have other thread opened?

[Lock-Os]

I am going to get a new log generated after work and I will open a new thread with that log file.

44 minutes ago, draconus said:

Can you show your new log trying to run F-15E mission or do you already have other thread opened?

 

[minimi66]

On 6/23/2023 at 5:57 PM, Warez27 said:

I am in the same boat.

Unfortunately F-15E requires CPU with AVX instructions set and will be unplayable on older PC or until devs patch it.

So.... i have just about the most up to date, advanced and powerful CPU available (from Intel) i9-13900K?

And i can't run one specific 2023-released DCS Module unless i downgrade to a older/different CPU just for the sake of this one module?

Where specifically was the requirement for AVX listed below please?  Or was this just mentioned in some post in a random forum thread?  

Minimum system requirements (LOW graphics settings): OS 64-bit Windows 10; DirectX11; CPU: Intel Core i3 at 2.8 GHz or AMD FX; RAM: 8 GB (16 GB for heavy missions); Free hard disk space: 60 GB; Discrete video card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 / AMD R9 280X or better; requires internet activation.

Recommended system requirements (HIGH graphics settings): OS 64-bit Windows 10; DirectX11; CPU: Core i5+ at 3+ GHz or AMD FX / Ryzen; RAM: 16 GB (32 GB for heavy missions); Free hard disk space: 120 GB on Solid State Drive (SSD); Discrete video card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 / AMD Radeon RX VEGA 56 with 8GB VRAM or better; Joystick; requires internet activation.

Recommended VR systems requirements (VR graphics settings): OS 64-bit Windows 10; DirectX11; CPU: Core i5+ at 3+ GHz or AMD FX / Ryzen; RAM: 16 GB (32 GB for heavy missions); Free hard disk space: 120 GB on Solid State Drive (SSD); Discrete video card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 / AMD Radeon RX VEGA 64 or better; Joystick; requires internet activation.

 

[draconus]

18 minutes ago, minimi66 said:

So.... i have just about the most up to date, advanced and powerful CPU available (from Intel) i9-13900K?

And i can't run one specific 2023-released DCS Module unless i downgrade to a older/different CPU just for the sake of this one module?

No, you're fine:

Quote

Instruction Set Extensions: Intel® SSE4.1, Intel® SSE4.2, Intel® AVX2

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230496/intel-core-i913900k-processor-36m-cache-up-to-5-80-ghz/specifications.html

Edited June 26, 2023 by draconus

[minimi66]

1 hour ago, draconus said:

No, you're fine:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230496/intel-core-i913900k-processor-36m-cache-up-to-5-80-ghz/specifications.html

 

Indeed I am! Enabled AVX2 in BIOS and the problem was solved instantly.  Also noticed that BIOS needed updating as well.

 

[Lock-Os]

These are the files from the latest crash.

12 hours ago, draconus said:

Can you show your new log trying to run F-15E mission or do you already have other thread opened?

 

dcs.20230627-001625.crash dcs.20230627-001625.dmp dcs.log

[Warez27]

9 hours ago, minimi66 said:

Indeed I am! Enabled AVX2 in BIOS and the problem was solved instantly.  Also noticed that BIOS needed updating as well.

 

I solved my problem too. Just bought new PC with AVX CPU. F-15E works fine.

[draconus]

8 hours ago, Lock-Os said:

These are the files from the latest crash.

Thx. Found IN_PAGE_ERROR - indicates some IO problems. Advice:

1. Full system and DCS drives scandisk with repair

2. Full (slow) DCS repair

You might also check for AVX2 in your bios settings - worth a try.

7 hours ago, Warez27 said:

I solved my problem too. Just bought new PC with AVX CPU. F-15E works fine.

What was your old CPU?

Edited June 27, 2023 by draconus

[Warez27]

Old CPU: Intel i7-990X

New CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X

[Lock-Os]

17 hours ago, draconus said:

Thx. Found IN_PAGE_ERROR - indicates some IO problems. Advice:

1. Full system and DCS drives scandisk with repair

2. Full (slow) DCS repair

You might also check for AVX2 in your bios settings - worth a try.

What was your old CPU?

 

You are not going to believe this. Scanning the drive found no issues, but on a hunch I did a full reformat of the drive, and the F-15 loads in no problem.

[draconus]

6 hours ago, Lock-Os said:

You are not going to believe this. Scanning the drive found no issues, but on a hunch I did a full reformat of the drive, and the F-15 loads in no problem.

Thank you for your feedback.

[allen6090]

Purchased a new PC w/i7 3.9Ghz 4 core, RTX 2060 6GB GDDR6, 16GB Ram, 1 T SSD. I confirmed it does support AVX, AVX2. I am performing a new DCS World and DCS Open Beta install. Will install all of my purchased mods, terrains, etc. Starting from scratch with no third-party mods until I'm satisfied the performance is where it needs to be. Thank You to all for suggesting to upgrading my PC my old work horse. Have donated the old PC for those who cannot afford a PC locally. I anticipate that the F-15E will perform as well as can be expected since I have read all issues so far. I do have a long download road ahead of me but know that all fresh install on a brand-new PC will be worth the wait, even on a budget PC build. I will post more once everything is loaded. Thank You.

Edited July 5, 2023 by allen6090

[Rudel_chw]

17 minutes ago, allen6090 said:

I do have a long download road ahead of me but know that all fresh install on a brand-new PC will be worth the wait,

 

If you still have access to the hard drive of your old PC, you can connect it onto the new PC and simply copy both the DCS program folder and the /Saved games/DCS World/ folder, saving the download and restoring most of your DCS configuration. The keybinds files will have an obsolete name, but its relatively easy to rename those files with the USB Ids of your new PC.

[allen6090]

Rudel_chw. I did pull my old hard drive out as I have a lot of my music on there that I need to capture. That is a very awesome idea to save time and data on downloading everything. I will give it a go! Thank you for the awesome suggestion, Rudel_chw!!

[Rudel_chw]

Razbam has said that the next update will add support for older processors