[NO BUG] MCB breaker (F14A) bug

[fat creason]

I do know what it does and exactly how it works, I created the MCB valve code and the CB to disable it. It functions exactly as described in the manual, refer to the manual if you'd like to understand the scenarios under which it's active. There's just no cockpit indication to know if MCB is active and I'm not planning to spend any more time on it. That's it. It was added to indulge people that wanted it, and now it's turned into a "give a mouse a cookie" situation. Pulling the CB was never a feature we planned to implement, I just did it because people requested it.

If people keep asking more questions about it I'm more inclined to comment the CB pulling code and just move on. Everyone can simply appreciate the fact the CB pull exists in the first place, the current feature is as far as I'm willing to take it.

Edited June 29, 2023 by fat creason

[JupiterJoe]

It's refreshing to have a developer who isn't trying to please all the people, all the time.

[draconus]

It's still tagged as [BUG].

[Silhou]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

It's still tagged as [BUG].

Hey. It was me tracking it and tagging it for the development team then to look at, investigate and decide if bug or not. And looks like I was too fast with the 'bug' tag on this one. I'm sorry for that. 

[SkateZilla]

I'd honestly rem the code entirely,

Users got the idea that popping the breaker was equivalent to pressing the NOS or TCS Off button on a race car. (More power at the expense of stability etc).

the issue here is, the over the top story in a book or video interview was over hyped to get the viewer/reader excited, I know pilots that literally laugh at this,

Why would you risk compressor stall and losing your aircraft for a measly 2000lbs of thrust (out of a total of 41,800)(aka ~5%), when you can better manage AoA and maintain speed without any risk.

If you desperately 5% more total thrust to win all your engagements, your doing something wrong.

[Elliot]

15 hours ago, SkateZilla said:

(out of a total of 41,800)

didn't the f14a have a total thrust of aprox 34,000lbs? those figures look to be more for the B

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Elliot

[SkateZilla]

14 minutes ago, Elliot said:

didn't the f14a have a total thrust of aprox 34,000lbs? those figures look to be more for the B

 

 

F-14A (TF30-414A's) max thrust is 20,900 Each, as was TF-30-414 and TF-30-412s

F-14B/D (GE F110-GE400) max thrust was 26,950.

 

The main A/B-D Difference was no compressor stalls, better throttle response,
~60% Power Increase in Max Military Thrust, and ~30% Power Increase in Max AB.

Thus the B/D Tomcat had more power in Max Military it did in the lower AB Range.
Better T:W Ratio, Less use of AB in BFM and Takeoff, More Fuel, More Loiter Time.

Edited July 6, 2023 by SkateZilla

[Elliot]

8 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

F-14A (TF30-414A's) max thrust is 20,900 Each, as was TF-30-414 and TF-30-412s

weren't they detuned to 17,000lbs for more reliability? 17,000 x 2 = 34,000, and if you lose 2000lbs per engine, that's 4000lbs total, so in total, you're actually losing 11.8% or 12% of your thrust (if you hate decimals)

ofcourse that's assuming the worst of the worst, as actual thrust loss will vary with speed and altitude

 

although that does seem right for the true max thrust, iirc they did a max speed test with the tuned tf30s

Edited July 6, 2023 by Elliot

[SkateZilla]

2 minutes ago, Elliot said:

weren't they detuned to 17,000lbs for more reliability? 17,000 x 2 = 34,000, and if you lose 2000lbs per engine, that's 4000lbs total, so in total, you're actually losing 11.8% or 12% of your thrust (if you hate decimals)

ofcourse that's assuming the worst of the worst, as actual thrust loss will vary with speed and altitude

 

although that does seem right for the true max thrust, iirc they did a max speed test with the tuned tf30s

 

never said it was 2000 lbs per power plant.

[Elliot]

makes sense then, no wonder i saw no difference during BFM and AAR

honestly you've persuaded me, i'm leaning towards removing the code now too

Edited July 6, 2023 by Elliot

[SkateZilla]

but yeah, those numbers are uninstalled power plants
They were tuned to 17000~ (70lbs +/- depending on revision and fuel),  on F-14As

[Elliot]

the only question now is if there's any real benefit to removing it...

considering it's already there and done, would it grant extra performance if removed as the game has less code to run through? (thinking the difference would be little to none) or would it just be best to save the work of removing it and just never touch it ever again

Edited July 6, 2023 by Elliot

[SkateZilla]

Removing it would end requests to expand it, and also remove any issues with it being interlaced with the EFM down the road.

[Elliot]

4 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

 ...EFM down the road.

EFM? what does that mean? external flight model?