F-15C's COMING!

[Aeroscout]

Risking an immature back and forth argument, I will respond to your points.

 

1) I look forward to your mod, but I have seen no pictures, so I have no way to judge

2) When you make comments as I have seen you do already, it's no small wonder why people don't take you seriously. If you have to criticize, make it constructive and provide references for them to improve. I have seen none of that.

3) I saw those words, but that's not how I interpreted it. I saw it more as a "You suck, stop making mods!" kind of attitude. I'm sorry I miss-understood. </sarcasm>

4) funny you should mention I'm talking shit... I'm just posting in this thread to check the attitude of a single individual.

I have done my share of lockon mods, movies, etc. Perhaps you would like to check my youtube profile http://www.youtube.com/jedilink25. I have some river mods I've done, as well so this and a few other skins for my squad.

So I think I have a few credentials, and to be honest, a better attitude.

I may not be able to Model in 3d yet, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the work that goes into these mods.

 

But by all means, feel free to criticize, just make it constructive, kind, and have the facts to back it up.

 

Aero out

[Azrayen]

Hey, breeze !

 

One can make critisism on 3D models, and not be able to model anything himself. This is my "job" in the AdA mod team ;)

 

john_X, I agree that for "trained eyes", it's sometimes hard.

On the other hand, as said before, all mods are - at the moment - free. And modders had to find their ways into the LO specifics (cheers, Walmis !)

But blue prints aren't always that accurate. In fact, Mirage 2000 blue prints available on the Internet are really inaccurate. That can explain some mishaps...

 

++

Az'

[pauldy]

Walmis F-15 still look's better than the Stock Eagle model~ (for me at least~) I guess it's a good reason to use it.

 

Though, it could have been improved and optimized. Walmis' Eagle currently is the largest FPS eater 3D model .. or maybe 2nd to the Frogfoot T

 

Also, some parts of the model surface "re-uses" textures from other parts of the plane. I've seen it when i did the Lucky Star Skin.

But i still use it anyways. :)

 

As for Borchi's Eagle, I wish it wouldn't eat much FPS, better yet increase the FPS like the 3GO Flanker.

 

Anyways, I'd still appreciate the modders no matter how "good" or "bad" their mods/models can be. Those are freebie cookies after all =D

[john_X]

i retract what i said about walmis mod. its a good mod and that nose isnt a reason to dont play it. the EF 2000 looks good overall but the nose is worse than walmis f15. about other 2 all i can say is that are bad worked....

 

for accurate blueprints i recommend WWW.airwar.ru .i think thats its name, or you can google airwar and find some good stuff in the drawings...

 

http://www.airwar.ru/indexe.html

[TOMCATZ]

Hi john_X

 

I was a little bit shocked after your last comments. So I`m not pretty sure, if it is right to tell you some things `course you are a modeler too and I think you know how hard this work can be.

Think my Mig isn`t okay- Well- I used original NVA-planes about the 9/12. If you don`t like it- not my problem!

 

-Think it`s a little bit to easy to make critics to other great mods while you are not able to finish your own project!

-You had a lot of critics about a wrong nose, false look and stoff like that while you are not able to set one ****ing argument at your model! And we don`t talking about a damage model, lights, Tailnumbers or some other operations like this! In this way you show the white flag just like this:

i dont have the time to work at this project anymore. all i have for now is the 3d model with an unfinished romanian texture...i can finish the damage model but after that i cant do anything more so, i need a person who knows how to make the animations and all the rest of the settings, basicly to create the mod having assured the finished 3d model...

-On the left hand you fill your thread full of questions about : "How to make these? How to make that?" And on the right hand site your attack the same people you asked before. Do you realize, what a bullshit it is, isn`t it?

-Noone thrust you to download any mod to any time. You don`t have to pay for anything and you are definitivly not in the position to make comments like that!

-Send me your Max-file and I will show you some mistakes you did- Thats an very simple job!

-BTW - You can`t use a 50.000Poly model for online sessions. So you create a lag- machine!

 

The only thing you did was to fill these thread with bloody comments- Nothing more. Borchi did an great job. He have enough experience to finish these projekt as well.

 

TOM

[BrumTx]

Have you ever noticed the people doing the complaining about Mods are the people NOT making mods ?.......

 

Until we actually get to SEE some of John X mosds then all I see are hollow promises.

 

And as for " EF 2000 has a wrong modelled nose and i told him a while ago to correct it and i didnt see any changes ". Maybe asking instead of being " told " may work better ........politeness costs nothing.

 

QUOTE FROM JOHN X

4) why dont you show us what can you do in lomac development? cause all i see you can do is talking shit...

 

 

Hmmmmmm look in the mirror John X

Edited August 31, 2009 by BrumTx

[john_X]

3d modelling has nothing to do with setting arguments, tomcatz. its true , i dont know a thing about arguments, but i know all about 3d modelling because its one of the things i do for living. i didnt criticise you for some bad arguments tomcatz, i did it for bad shape modelling. not even for the tehnique you use, i criticised the shape you created, criticise that Azrayed can do too, even he doesnt model.

 

the second thing. i bet you wont find even 1 little mistake in my 3d model. the reason i didnt release the mod until now is because i saw the real plane and i realised that my plane doesnt look like the real one.so i remodeled it. in 1 week the shape will be ready.

 

third, it has about 22000 polys , not 50000.

 

fourth, dont be so shocked, just watch your plane and compare it with the original one and im sure you will agree me.

 

fifth, i dont give a dUCK about what you and brumtx think about me. dUCK yourselfs! i just wanted to help you evolve a little bit, because your model sucks. if you are shocked to encounter criticism, dUCK off.i wont help u anymore.stay in your mediocrity.

[BrumTx]

Instead of shouting off a rude mouth why not show some of YOUR screen shots????. Being as your model is so perfect I'm sure a little preview is in order, and will teach us all how perfect (NOT) your supposed model is. Just done a search for the iar-93/soko j-22 orao,on this website and it comes up with nothing........... also known as HOT AIR

Edited August 31, 2009 by BrumTx

[GGTharos]

You do 3d modeling for a living? That must pay well.

[TOMCATZ]

Hi john_X

well- no problem.

This is a free forum for free meanings.

Hope you will be able to finish it and you will get enough helpings from the community. -22000Polys will works very good.

TOM

[hitman]

Boooooring. Lets see some of Borchi's screenshots. :D I loved drooling over them when he had them posted up at simmoders.com, but, well...Just enough to shut someones mouth up.

[vrv]

fifth, i dont give a dUCK about what you and brumtx think about me. dUCK yourselfs! i just wanted to help you evolve a little bit, because your model sucks. if you are shocked to encounter criticism, dUCK off.i wont help u anymore.stay in your mediocrity.

 

Yeah tell them to duck off :lol: :D

[borchi_2b]

hi guys, i appologise for me not working on the eagle lately, but tomcatz is right. sometimes it is real hard to keep on working on such a project alone. thats why i was happy to have simmod. although i still worked on it alone there, i had people to talk to. about shape, some ideas of animations, what ever came to my mind. but some how this all has gone. unfortunatly!!! thats why i hope we might be able to get simmod back to life. i talked to some important people about the idea to bring back simmod, an well i am not sure how it will turn out.

 

one thing is for sure, after i reorientated now workwise, i found a easier way to make alot of money and not invest too much time. 2 hours a day and i still have the same money like before working 8 - 10 hours. great right?

 

i am honest, this working situation has cut alot of time away form my free time, also the squad i am flying in took alot of time away in the last weeks and month.

reallife, family and some other stuff took time too, so i did not have much time for the eagle. maybe i was burned out what concidered the mod.

some trouble appeared also with some skins and some animations in combination. then i asked my squad members, at least some of them fly the eagle, to test it for me. it took me more then a week to get someone moving, although they had all files. this all in combination made it hard for me to work on that baby. in addition i had some news from KARI which made me upsad and are related to that mod in some way.

but i do not want to talk about that, it is way to private.

 

one thing is promised.

i will release some sort of beta in a few weeks.

ahh by the way. i fly the 3go flanker too, so when i change things in the meinit.xml file the 3go stuff is allready in there :-)

 

so it should work, i hope so at least.

 

ps: shaggy, whats about the skinning offer ?

i never really heard, yes i am oing it for sure now. or at least i heard something from you that sounded like it, but i wanted from you to know if there is anything i should do before hand ?

[borchi_2b]

@john X:

you model 3d for living. hmm, to be honest, if you model for living, then you should know that for example the mig29 from tomcatz is not so bad like you call it. remember this bird only has 15k polyies. damagemodell included. and we talked over the bird too, but tomcatz is right when he says:" at some point there must be a line where to finish".

and he is right.

i could have made out of the f15c model a 500.000 polyies. but i cannot not, because it will not be usable anymore in the program.

so take the playability in account to that, then you know what i ended up with and unfortunatly not with a 1 = 1 model, which is impossible. i have like 3 very very good blueprints here of the eagle and about 2800 pictures of that bird. so after all this research i would have easily been able to go for a 1 = 1 model, but what for?

for FPS of 1 ?

for sure not. i still have to use LOD models cause the bird has alot of polyies but this is how the cocky crumbles.

 

right now i have fames at about 38fps when i have 4 eagles flying in formation and look at them from six.

this is the same when there is a single. so i think it has to do with the nozzles, because i have alot of parts at each nozzle.

but i think it is worth it.

what i want to say actually. i do not run arround like a pitbull and tell people that thiers mods are crap, unless i see that they are not made by thier own but they say it is. then i really start to freak out :-)

especially when i have evidence for that, but i guess every 3d artist can identify with my additude :-)

 

so please, john x, try to calm down.

thier is no need for so much hate. this moddercommunity is so small and we do not need fights in this community. so please please, calm down and think about your words one more time if they were reasonable.

 

to be honest, i do not like tomcatz mig29 either, but i have seen the development and all the other mods he has started and finished, esspecially his carrier, i like it alot, but i would never ever use such hard words to tell him, this or that is not right. i just tell him that in a gentle way, cause he might have not seen it, cause when you look at a model for many many days, i do not see mistakes maybe, which i had too. so change your additute please.

 

nobody wants to harm you, but you obviously do. and if my mod will be good or not, thats not up to my hands. the community has to decide, not me.

 

i allways think, it could be better there and there, but i have to stop myself very often. same with skins. in lomac you do not see the beauty of the cockpit, but in renderpictures, so i ask myself, why am i pulling it that much?

 

i hope you will understand

 

cheers

 

lets have a beer or 2 !

[BrumTx]

Yeah tell them to duck off :lol: :D

 

 

QUACK QUACK QUACK

 

Now let me go and get my 12 gauge and shoot the duck who can't or won't be civil in posts.

 

As I said before civility or manners cost nothing

[Aeroscout]

Thanks very much for the update borchi! I'm really looking forward to it.

 

just a quick question, any chance for skin templates to be provided with the beta? That would be awesome! I'm looking forward to porting my aggressor skins over to your model!

 

Also, could you have set skin-slots for different squads, kinda like the SIMMOD A-10?

 

Thanks again

 

Aero

[BrumTx]

Good idea for the skin slots Aero, if it's possible it would be an amazing add-on

[john_X]

i dont understand where do you see the hate. i just stated some realities here, but i can tell reality hurts. next time ill say it like this:

 

"ok you little babies, are you ready for correcting you beautiful, excellent works, please, please, please? i dont want to upset you but you have some errors around and if you dont mind, but only if you dont mind, i will try to point them. do you allow me? thank you"

 

this kind of courtesy is not my style but ill do it if you all think it has to be done. i believe less words and more work is the better way, even if i risk to appear rude.

 

and the last thing is that i never thouched the point of how hard is the 3d working so, why are you telling me these things? it seems to me you look for excuses, to forget the real reason we are talking about: respecting the blueprints and the real plane by doing some researches...

[159th_Viper]

.......this is a public forum and i can express myself.....

 

You Reckon?

 

Have you read the rules which govern the way you are allowed to 'Express' yourself?

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en

 

Please do so ;)

[BrumTx]

Hmmm Old Crow I think the Blue corner will win this time lol.

[Groove]

Guys, either you behave again or i help you to behave.

 

Please keep a good and friendly tone in here!

[john_X]

you got it wrong again mate, im not trying to approach people here and im not lookin for a fight. im just trying to make the modellers be more accurate. if they understand what i mean and take account of what i state, its very good, if not i dont care, its their choice, they make mods how they want.

 

it seems you are looking for friends here, well, im not. you say i dont respect people. if not respecting them means not telling them some obvious things,then im not. it seems you prefere the lies...i imagine what kind of friend you can be.

 

this is the last post in borchis thread. if you continue ill start a separate thread just for you.

 

borchi, sorry for this combat we had here in your thread. anyway, all i did was to require some screens from you to see the shape.

[BrumTx]

QUOTE FROM TOPOL M

 

Some notes here comparing the model with the images below:

1. The wing is not thick enough and doesn`t quite have the curve the real one has in the bottom part where it connects with the fuselage (Pic. 1).

2. Also it doesn`t quite fit with the fuselage like the smooth transition fuselage-wing the real one has (Pic.1).

3. The part of the fuselage behind the cockpit is more noticeably getting thinner at one point in the real one (Pic. 2)

4. The part where the horizontal stabilizers connect to the fuselage is much shorter in the real one (Pic. 2)

5. It looks to me like in the real one there is more distance between stabilizers and wings and that the angle between of the stabilizers rear edge and the aircraft axis is not that acute in the real one. But that might be just an optical illusion (Pic. 2).

6. Also it seems you`ve got a lot of work with gear bays, gun placement, etc. details.

 

You said it was flawless and "in 1 week the shape will be ready" ;) I`ll be surprised if you can complete it perfectly in time but who knows. :thumbup:

 

Answered by JohnX

lool.but it is flawless.what did you tell yourself? that you are going to teach me a lesson? you are the man!

 

1)the wing is thick enough, i can asure you. its just the optical ilusion you have.if you want i can put a front view. i can tell you dont know the plane as you dont know that you showed me the j-22 B which has the curve you see.i modeled here the j-22 A. but yes, you are the man. you just ruined one of my surprises for this mod.i have modeled both versions...

 

2)the smooth transition is not done yet...

 

3)the part behind the cockpit is getting thinner at my model too. you just have an ilusion...

 

4)here you are right. it will be changed.

 

5)again you had an optical ilusion. i can put a top view if you want to see im right.

 

6)as for me is very easy to work in 3d and i work kinda fast, the 3d model will be ready in 1 week. the reason i said to the other 3d modellers to put some pictures with their works on the forum is because of what happened to me at no 4. i have a proportion mistake and im not afraid to recognize it.thats why i put the renders to be criticised.and im not shocked when im criticised

 

The reason I've copied and pasted is maily the last sentence:

"i have a proportion mistake and im not afraid to recognize it.thats why i put the renders to be criticised.and im not shocked when im criticised "

 

So Mr Perfect does make mistakes ..........

 

Quote from John X on page 11 of this posting

 

the second thing. i bet you wont find even 1 little mistake in my 3d model. the reason i didnt release the mod until now is because i saw the real plane and i realised that my plane doesnt look like the real one.so i remodeled it. in 1 week the shape will be ready

 

Let the evidence speak for it's self

[VireVolte_tigrou]

John's words are crude, but somewhere he's right...

 

Of course, no one has to be a 3D expert to criticize a model. I know how much time is needed to produce a model, and it is never easy to accept some bad criticisms, even if they're justified. Cause modellers' ego is HUGE, it's often hard to call himself in question. ;)

 

That's why I try to share as possible any progress in my works, to expose them to expert eyes.

 

But where you're wrong, John, is about the blueprints. Excepted if you got the genuine blueprints from manufacturers, there are ALL wrong, and you shouldn't trust them as you do. They can give a good framework, but the only documents you can trust are photographs, cause the planes on them have always correct shapes... ;)

Following blindly the blueprints is for sure the source of some inaccurate shapes, it is often the mistake made by modellers. This doesn't mean their work is bad, it is often excellent and they try to work as close as possible to their basis documents.

But sometimes, they should take extra-time to verify their accuracy. Especially blueprints found on internet. Because you don't know the source, the resolution and how they are been digitized.

 

But considering 3D models created by Lockon community, they're often much better than many payware planes. And some shits are VERY VERY expensive.

 

That's why I keep supporting any 3D creator, and I encourage anyone to produce their own models if they consider the others as inadequate. ;)

 

Cheers

[john_X]

virevolte tigrou, thank you for understanding the idea i stated.i am a little exaggerated but only this way i can progress. for my plane i have 6 blueprints.the metod i use is to overwrite them. this way i found out that 3 of them are almost identical and match the photos of the real plane. they may not be exactly as the real plane but im sure theyre pretty close.

 

brumtx, in that point i didnt refere at the shape. you find a shape problem.i refered at the model itself in 3d. if you arent a modeller you cant understand it.