airea Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 If we were able to see the cockpit gauges, hud etc, this video would have been great...
Zembla Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 :( for some reasons my pc opens files with Quicktime player... and shows no video at all... only sound :furious: VLC player usually does the trick with most files for me. If that doesn't work, then maybe it got corrupted during download? -Z [sigpic][/sigpic] I aaaaaam ... a banana!
Vekkinho Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 no.. This is from 1997 or 1998.. see #5 :( I should also add that this is on Batajnica airfield. Yeah, I know it's an older footage, but when I saw that photo of a MiG-29 taking off with snow in the background that you posted over at photos/videos I thought of Sretenje '09 MiG-29 photos or videos! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Esac_mirmidon, I was wandering. It seem in your manual, the starting process of the MIG-29A is a little more involve that what the pilots seem to do in video two. My questions are: Could it be he did less check because, he did not needed many systems (i.e. RADAR, RWR, IRST, etc.) for his flight, and maybe did not turn those systems on? I do not expect you to know, unless you where the guys flying the aircraft :D, but I figure I ask. Or maybe, different air forces have different requirements? Also, I do not see any where in your manual or in the movie I do not hear a APU nor a JFS start before engine start, What spins the engines to reach minimum RPM before ignition is activated? (i.e. moving the throttle from cutoff to idle) Or did I miss something? At any rate, thank you To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
nscode Posted February 27, 2009 Author Posted February 27, 2009 Take into consideration that this plane is flying on the limits of opperational lifetime.. and beyond. Their resources actually expired in '95 and major overhaul was needed. But as you know, the counry was under sanctions and no such thing was possible. So, high ranking air force officers extended their lifetime by simply signing a document, without ever touching the aircraft. Imagine going to a doctor when you're sick, and he just pronounces you healthy, without even looking at you. Not much use of that. So, mechanics and pilots adopted ways to squeese as much juice out of their machines as possible. Opperating combat systems on non-combat flights was actually forbiden, and so was unneeded use of afterburner etc.. You can see that big external generator, that is used for startup. I think batteries can also be used, but they are also preserved for emergencies. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
mvsgas Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 I am sorry nscode, I think you are misunderstanding my questions. -I am not criticizing the aircraft in anyway. -I am not commenting on the condition of the aircraft or its systems. -I am not criticizing nor disregarding the mechanics in the video. -I am not talking bad about anything on the video. -I am just wandering about procedures. For example: I do not believe that the USAF Thunderbird operationally check the radar system on the F-16 before a show, I don't think they do that check because they do not need that system. It seem to me that the pilot in your videos was doing some acrobatic show, and I was wandering if that is the reason for his short pre-flights checks or if this is a normal launch on a MIG-29, where the systems are so reliable that they do not even check the flight controls. One reason I ask this is because the manual that Esac_mirmidon has, it points to many check done before the aircraft taxi, I did not notice the pilot accomplishing these. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Esac_mirmidon Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Well, i think a real operations manual covers ALL procedures just " by the manual ". They must descript all functions, start ups and procedures the pilot must learn. After, every pilot would jump into a quick minimun start up because no need to turn on everything, or because, like nscode told us, operational limitations in relation with the airframe-systems stress wear and tear. I will check the manual for the APU-engines ignition later. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
nscode Posted February 27, 2009 Author Posted February 27, 2009 Yeah, I understand you are not criticizing, I'm just trying to explain the background of this flight. It's a practise for an airshow. And he's not even practising a planed program, just going over some maneuvers (he likes the tailslide, as you can see ;)). Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Vekkinho Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) I must mention that there's no 10 minute INS alignment wait with MiG-29 and there's no need for it as this was just a short VFR flight over homebase. Mvsgas, you work on much complex aircraft, that needs more into deep checks and inspections than a MiG-29. I always said, more complex things are much easier they get broken. Main tool in MiG-21 maintenance is a hammer not a screwdriver! And still those 30+ years old Fishbeds fly around the globe and here in Croatia too. But I must say they were more reliable before "maintenance-overhaul-modernization" they took few years ago in Romania. ;) Edited February 27, 2009 by Vekkinho [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mikoyan Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Thanks for the videos and the manual you guys rock!
mikoyan Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 I think that the sounds on this videos can be used to mod lock on sounds. Do you guys know how it is done?
nscode Posted February 28, 2009 Author Posted February 28, 2009 I was thinking about that too :) But note that sounds that pilot hears thru the helmet are much quieter. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Vekkinho Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 ..and we can't hear ATC but the pilot can! I always tried to figure out what need to be done in order to slave ATC/wingman sounds to headphones but leaving ambient sounds on speakers. Perhaps in future DCS modules we can select sound outputs to have it this way! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 I must mention that there's no 10 minute INS alignment wait with MiG-29 and there's no need for it as this was just a short VFR flight over homebase. Mvsgas, you work on much complex aircraft, that needs more into deep checks and inspections than a MiG-29. I always said, more complex things are much easier they get broken. Main tool in MiG-21 maintenance is a hammer not a screwdriver! And still those 30+ years old Fishbeds fly around the globe and here in Croatia too. But I must say they were more reliable before "maintenance-overhaul-modernization" they took few years ago in Romania. ;) Who says we do not used a hammer and screw driver on ours :D We just can get caught doing it He! To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
nscode Posted February 28, 2009 Author Posted February 28, 2009 ..and we can't hear ATC but the pilot can! I always tried to figure out what need to be done in order to slave ATC/wingman sounds to headphones but leaving ambient sounds on speakers. Perhaps in future DCS modules we can select sound outputs to have it this way! Yea, I even wrote to FS team with that idea, but no luck :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
diveplane Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Once you've seen these two videos, you will understand why I think they deserve a sepparate topic. 30 minutes of cockpit sound and video, startup to shutdown. Clicks, clocks, hydraulics, fans... unedited, you hear it all. First one is front view, and second one is back view showing the pilot. View of the instruments and radio sounds would make it perfect, but it's amazing anyway. It's also good for ED reference if at some time they decide to model the 29 :) And I should say it right away - don't try this stuff in LO ;) I will try to get more info on the flight, but I can tell you that it is an Yugoslav MiG-29, and the time frame is most likely '97-'98. Without further ado, http://avijacija.net/video/mig29_yugoslav_air_force.avi http://avijacija.net/video/mig29_yugoslav_air_force2.avi :joystick: wow hear the jets air assisted brakes by the sounds of things. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
nscode Posted March 1, 2009 Author Posted March 1, 2009 And there's a deley before the actual braking begins.. just like in our Su-25 :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
mvsgas Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Is that what that air sound is, the brakes ? Cool, I tought it was something wrong with the mike or it was part of the environmental systems To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
nscode Posted March 1, 2009 Author Posted March 1, 2009 Yeah :D And I think that the constant high pitch sound is the fan :D As you can see it was pretty hot that day :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
diveplane Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Yeah :D And I think that the constant high pitch sound is the fan :D As you can see it was pretty hot that day :) yep air conditioner for the pilot. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
mvsgas Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 I am re watching it now. The high pitch sound typical of an fighter cockpit.. At least the F-16 sound like that. If it is like the F-16, it is just the engine sound. About the flight controls: I always thought the MIG-29 is like the F-15, with hydromechanics controls, is that the case or is it more like a F-16 or Mirage 2000? Why is air used on the brakes? Anybody know if the use hydraulic pressure also? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
nscode Posted March 1, 2009 Author Posted March 1, 2009 But you can hear when he swithes it on (the high pitch sound making thing :D) MiGs are fly-by-wire.... a steel wire :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
mvsgas Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 :D :lol: thanks :thumbup: To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Vekkinho Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 We could record sound from that video, enhance it, loop it and make real cockpitsystems.ogg. As you can hear Cockpitafterburner.ogg should be just a pitch change... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 So here's a quick one, it contains a Vekk_CockpitSystems.ogg and Vekk_AirBrake.ogg, so extract it, rename 'em properly (CockpitSystems.ogg and Airbrake.ogg) and place these files in Sounds/Effects folder. I recorded CockpitSystems.ogg sound file from MiG29_yugoslav_air_force video (windshield camera vid) from 02:15 thru 02:50! I reduced the sound output level to simulate a helmet and ear protection the pilot wears during flight. Airbrake.ogg sound file is a mix of default AirBrake (in the end of the file) but I added hydraulic pressure boost sound that can be heard in NSCode's video. I slowly unscrewed Coke bottle cork and changed a pitch a bit to get something similar. Enjoy! 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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