How are you using case 3?

[AegisFX]

Lately I've tried to do much more case 3 landings and I'm wondering what could be better.

 

Many times in the multiplayer environment I try to call in for the case 3 marshal and I see the option for established and commencing because someone else already called in.

 

I'm afraid of "aborting" their attempt, so I either wait until they're done or just wait in a marshal of my own then hit established as if I called in.

 

I've also seen others get behind the ship at 1200 feet and skip the marshal and descent altogether.

 

Players: what are you doing for your case 3 landings on true case 3 landings where you cant just visually fly it?

 

ED: I'm unsure if the skipped comms are a bug or a feature. If it's a feature, can we have the cv ops knee board page updated when we're given marshal information OR a comm option to have the pilot say the info out loud again or ask tower to repeat?

[Predator-78]

Lately I've tried to do much more case 3 landings and I'm wondering what could be better.
 
Many times in the multiplayer environment I try to call in for the case 3 marshal and I see the option for established and commencing because someone else already called in.
 
I'm afraid of "aborting" their attempt, so I either wait until they're done or just wait in a marshal of my own then hit established as if I called in.
 
I've also seen others get behind the ship at 1200 feet and skip the marshal and descent altogether.
 
Players: what are you doing for your case 3 landings on true case 3 landings where you cant just visually fly it?
 
ED: I'm unsure if the skipped comms are a bug or a feature. If it's a feature, can we have the cv ops knee board page updated when we're given marshal information OR a comm option to have the pilot say the info out loud again or ask tower to repeat?

Normally the Carrier should assign each of you a different time and height while waiting for your turn to dock.

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[Tusky]

hace 12 horas, AegisFX dijo:

Many times in the multiplayer environment I try to call in for the case 3 marshal and I see the option for established and commencing because someone else already called in.

I'm afraid of "aborting" their attempt, so I either wait until they're done or just wait in a marshal of my own then hit established as if I called in.

"Established" and "Commencing" are standard radio calls for each aircraft in the marshall stack regardless of any previous aircraft already engaged in the recovery. No need to abort since it is aircraft specific.

Marshall will take into consideration the number of aircraft already in the stack and assign you:
- a specific altitude and distance on the radial as your commencing point (altitude in ft/1000 + 15 = distance in miles - es. 8000/1000 + 15 = 23nm as you commencing point)
- a specific commencing time different from the commencing time of other aircraft

The idea is that you will fly a holding pattern in such a way that you will be at the commencing point (altitude, radial and distance), at the communicated time (+/- 10s) , at 250kn and fly the recovery in accordance to the CASE III profile (see pag.53 of Supercarrier manual).

 

hace 13 horas, AegisFX dijo:

I've also seen others get behind the ship at 1200 feet and skip the marshal and descent altogether.

Don't rely on other players and don't expect them to use the correct Case III recovery profile. Case III recoveries take a while and many people even skip the DCS menu radio calls.

 

hace 13 horas, AegisFX dijo:

OR a comm option to have the pilot say the info out loud again or ask tower to repeat?

ED has included a MESSAGE hystory window accessible by the in-game OPTION menu. If you've missed something, you can re-read it.

[AegisFX]

So, I appreciate the reminder about the replay message option. I'll look into that. 

 

I understand that the established and commencing are standard options, but my concern is if I contact the ship and instead of being able to do the initial contact that explains where the marshal stack is, it skips me to that option menu.

 

However I did a case 3 last night and possibly because I was farther away from the next player, or because I radioed in first and the next guy waited a few minutes later, he was able to get the initial communication as well.

[Tusky]

I believe that the problem happens when both you and another player are in the same flight (e.g. Enfield 1: you are Enfield 1-1 and he picks up Enfield 1-2). In this case, it might be that whoever calls marshall first, calls it for the entire flight (regardless of aircraft proximity to the carrier) and starts the recovery procedure with its specific menu.

Next time you fly, keep an eye on it. I'll see if I can report back my findings.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Tusky

[Nealius]

Over multiplayer there are still issues with aircraft side numbers/states getting swapped by the DCS ATC, even if they are in separate groups.

[Tusky]

hace 1 hora, Nealius dijo:

Over multiplayer there are still issues with aircraft side numbers/states getting swapped by the DCS ATC, even if they are in separate groups.

That explains the problem then...