Is there any immersive way to interact with the cockpit?

dlder · September 12, 2023

4 hours ago, Baldrick33 said:

The mouse recentre is a Joy2Key function. Under Mouse (Advanced) set absolute position Target position to X=50 Y=50 and Jump cursor to target

I am using auto repeat 5 time per second for the mouse wheel keystrokes which seems to work well

Thanks, appreciate it!!

dlder · September 13, 2023

Two issues with binding keyb-to-joystick-to-mouse:

pressing the left mouse button and trying to turn the "mouse wheel"
comms menu can only be interacted with the mouse cursor; which is not the "cockpit interaction" cursor you move with your HMD

Baldrick33 · September 13, 2023

4 hours ago, dlder said:

Two issues with binding keyb-to-joystick-to-mouse:

pressing the left mouse button and trying to turn the "mouse wheel"

comms menu can only be interacted with the mouse cursor; which is not the "cockpit interaction" cursor you move with your HMD

Not sure on the first one, can you give an example where you have to hold the mouse button and turn the wheel?

Comms I use the mic and coolie hats on my Warthog throttle. Again I use Joy2Key to double up the controls with short and long presses. Then I use the mic switch for comms, push to talk/comm1&2 and the F keys F1-F5 &F10, coolie for kneeboard controls and F6-F9.

I have tried several alternatives including button boxes and VAICOM but find this the best. VAICOM is good but as I use speakers and fans the recognition was hit or (mainly) miss.

dlder · September 21, 2023

On 9/13/2023 at 3:41 PM, Baldrick33 said:

have to hold the mouse button and turn the wheel

for instance in the P-51, the Flight Indicator Knob (seldom used, but I just came across it, so I pointed it out)

Yeah, I'm just now beginning to include J2K features into my layout. Very cool program.

VAICOM: yeah, haven't used that yet too, mainly because - as you said - voice detection isn't all that great (that's probably more on Windows, because Voice Attack just uses that engine).

Koziolek · September 22, 2023

Wow, Baldric33 your advice was priceless. I will have to check it for a bit longer but right now it looks like it's the best solution. I will probably cancel my PointCtrl order and sell my MFDs

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU

Edited September 22, 2023 by Koziolek

Ahdidaas · September 23, 2023

On 9/9/2023 at 5:37 PM, Dentedend10 said:

I use QPro controllers as well. Accuracy is great, it gives the extra function of zoom and opening the menu as well as can scroll and even imitate touch (with haptic feedback in some modules).
I do agree it’s not ideal that I have to pick it up from my lap every time but the alternatives I tried (leap motion and HTCC) did not provide the ease of use controllers do.
I was thinking one day to have some Velcro on the controllers and my shorts so I can just strap the controller to my legs (like a kneeboard) when I’m not using them. Maybe I’ll try it one day

Exactly the same for me. I've yet to figure out a solid way for dealing with the controllers, using them to control my cockpit is real nice. they also control the external camera views nicely too.

dlder · September 23, 2023

19 hours ago, Koziolek said:

Wow, Baldric33 your advice was priceless.

Yep, couldn't agree more. It's very good; will try handtracked as soon as the module arrives, but I'm not so sure if it'll be better

The only thing I did: setting the mouse cursor a bit lower: Y = 65, that makes flipping those lower controls much easier.

Koziolek · September 23, 2023

3 minutes ago, dlder said:

The only thing I did: setting the mouse cursor a bit lower: Y = 65, that makes flipping those lower controls much easier.

Same here, but for me after several tries it is 55

Ahdidaas · September 24, 2023

On 9/13/2023 at 6:41 AM, Baldrick33 said:

Not sure on the first one, can you give an example where you have to hold the mouse button and turn the wheel?

Comms I use the mic and coolie hats on my Warthog throttle. Again I use Joy2Key to double up the controls with short and long presses. Then I use the mic switch for comms, push to talk/comm1&2 and the F keys F1-F5 &F10, coolie for kneeboard controls and F6-F9.

I have tried several alternatives including button boxes and VAICOM but find this the best. VAICOM is good but as I use speakers and fans the recognition was hit or (mainly) miss.

You can add the F1-F12 comm commands into the control *.lua profiles. This should be part of the default, in my opinion, yet if you add the below, you can then map those commands to any of your inputs:

{down = ICommandMenuItem1, name = _('Command menu item 1'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem2, name = _('Command menu item 2'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem3, name = _('Command menu item 3'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem4, name = _('Command menu item 4'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem5, name = _('Command menu item 5'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem6, name = _('Command menu item 6'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem7, name = _('Command menu item 7'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem8, name = _('Command menu item 8'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem9, name = _('Command menu item 9'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem10, name = _('Command menu item 10'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem11, name = _('Command menu item 11'), category = _('General')},
{down = ICommandMenuItem12, name = _('Command menu item 12'), category = _('General')},

Edited September 24, 2023 by Guyamn

dlder · September 25, 2023

14 hours ago, Guyamn said:

You can add the F1-F12 comm commands into the control *.lua profiles

Good idea; not needed with Joy2Key and does use up alot of inputs though...

I've now started using VoiceAttack (without VAICOM for now) and it's pretty fantastic; works great, even though I'm not a native English speaker^^

dburne · September 25, 2023

1 minute ago, dlder said:

Good idea; not needed with Joy2Key and does use up alot of inputs though...

I've now started using VoiceAttack (without VAICOM for now) and it's pretty fantastic; works great, even though I'm not a native English speaker^^

Vaicom has a bit of a learning curve ( not bad) but it is so awesome.

dlder · September 25, 2023

4 minutes ago, dburne said:

Vaicom has a bit of a learning curve ( not bad) but it is so awesome.

Sorry for this ignorant question, but: what exactly does it do and why would I need it?

I mean, VoiceAttack already let's me input keyboard keys and thus control pretty much everything...

Thanks!

dburne · September 25, 2023

29 minutes ago, dlder said:

Sorry for this ignorant question, but: what exactly does it do and why would I need it?

I mean, VoiceAttack already let's me input keyboard keys and thus control pretty much everything...

Thanks!

Perhaps this might help:

dlder · September 25, 2023

14 minutes ago, dburne said:

Perhaps this might help:

Thanks

MAXsenna · September 25, 2023

Sorry for this ignorant question, but: what exactly does it do and why would I need it?
I mean, VoiceAttack already let's me input keyboard keys and thus control pretty much everything...
Thanks!

VAICOM, Virtual AI Comms, is all about comms and getting rid of the radio menu VoiceAttack in itself cannot really use the radio menu as recipients shift around. VAICOM on the other hand doesn't use the radio menu at all. It also has some more commands that doesn't exist in the radio menu. Like you can ask for refueling without opening the the re-arming window. It has a special handy kneeboard page, block "your own" voice for immersion etc. Supports Jester and other features are coming.

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Baldrick33 · September 25, 2023

4 hours ago, dburne said:

Vaicom has a bit of a learning curve ( not bad) but it is so awesome.

I should clarify my earlier statement about recognition being hit or miss. Vaicom is awesome at what it does. My issue is not with Vaicom but the environment I have. I use speakers and typically have a fan aimed at me given I have a windowless room and use VR. This makes any kind of microphone usage challenging. There maybe a solution (e.g. what F1 car cameras use!) but I haven't pursued it so far.

MAXsenna · September 25, 2023

I should clarify my earlier statement about recognition being hit or miss. Vaicom is awesome at what it does. My issue is not with Vaicom but the environment I have. I use speakers and typically have a fan aimed at me given I have a windowless room and use VR. This makes any kind of microphone usage challenging. There maybe a solution (e.g. what F1 car cameras use!) but I haven't pursued it so far.

If you have an RTX, enable the "microphone clarity" or whatever it's called. Make a new microphone profile in Microsoft Speech Recognition, and redo the initial training multiple times with fan and other ambient sound in the room on.

Cheers!

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Baldrick33 · September 26, 2023

15 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

If you have an RTX, enable the "microphone clarity" or whatever it's called. Make a new microphone profile in Microsoft Speech Recognition, and redo the initial training multiple times with fan and other ambient sound in the room on.

I had tried the RTX thingy a while ago, I hadn't tried retraining speech recognition with the speakers and fans on though. I will give that a go sometime. Thanks!

MAXsenna · September 26, 2023

I had tried the RTX thingy a while ago, I hadn't tried retraining speech recognition with the speakers and fans on though. I will give that a go sometime. Thanks!

VoiceAttack recommends making a new microphone profile, whenever you change microphone, with re-training. So I would assume that one should do it whenever the environment changes.

Keep us updated?

Cheers!

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Paul_Exotic · September 29, 2023

I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet:
https://github.com/fredemmott/HTCC
https://htcc.fredemmott.com/
It's been a few months since I've flown but I began using this and it was really useful. It wasn't perfect but far better than juggling a hotas and controllers or needing to switch stick hands in order to use my trackball which was the previous method I used.

This was with a Quest 2, using the built in Quest handtracking feature +OpenXR+ HTCC.

Drac · March 7, 2024

On 9/11/2023 at 2:55 AM, markturner1960 said:

Here you go https://www.flightstore.co.uk/product/flyboys-kneeboard-with-clipboard-olive-drab-15468

With this trackball https://www.kensington.com/en-gb/p/products/control/trackballs/orbit-trackball-with-scroll-ring/

Is there a chance that you can post a picture showing the trackball mouse attached to the kneeboard. Trying to see how to attach the two together. Thanks

On 9/11/2023 at 2:55 AM, markturner1960 said:

Here you go https://www.flightstore.co.uk/product/flyboys-kneeboard-with-clipboard-olive-drab-15468

With this trackball https://www.kensington.com/en-gb/p/products/control/trackballs/orbit-trackball-with-scroll-ring/

Is there a chance that you can post a picture showing the trackball mouse attached to the kneeboard. Trying to see how to attach the two together. Thanks

On 9/11/2023 at 2:55 AM, markturner1960 said:

Here you go https://www.flightstore.co.uk/product/flyboys-kneeboard-with-clipboard-olive-drab-15468

With this trackball https://www.kensington.com/en-gb/p/products/control/trackballs/orbit-trackball-with-scroll-ring/

Is there a chance that you can post a picture showing the trackball mouse attached to the kneeboard. Trying to see how you attached the two together. Thanks

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