bkthunder Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) According to Razbam's official manual: nullEmtpy weight: Manual: 13,968 lb DCS mission editor: 15,966 lb Loaded weight: Manual: 22,295 lb DCS mission editor: 23,724 lb MTOW: Manual: 31,000 lb DCS mission editor: 31,085 lb What gives? Edited October 22, 2023 by bkthunder 4 Windows 10 - Intel i7 7700K 4.2 Ghz (no OC) - Asus Strix GTX 1080 8Gb - 16GB DDR4 (3000 MHz) - SSD 500GB + WD Black FZEX 1TB 6Gb/s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMO Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 and the VREST page ingame shows again a different weight. I noticed it when I wanted to make VTOL Loadouts and they showed ~20500lbs in the ME roughly 1000lbs more in game. One thing I can think of are the 500lbs of demineralized water, but then there´s still 500lbs missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buur Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 In the manual the weight is without pylons, in the game the Harriers has always mounted pylons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkthunder Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 I don't think the AV-8B pylons can be removed IRL (not operationally), so wouldn't make sense to state the weight without pylons in the manual Windows 10 - Intel i7 7700K 4.2 Ghz (no OC) - Asus Strix GTX 1080 8Gb - 16GB DDR4 (3000 MHz) - SSD 500GB + WD Black FZEX 1TB 6Gb/s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buur Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 they can be removed IRL, that is the reason that weight and drag index are mentioned in the manuals. Also you must add the weight of the pilot. (~180lb) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkthunder Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 22 hours ago, buur said: they can be removed IRL, that is the reason that weight and drag index are mentioned in the manuals. Also you must add the weight of the pilot. (~180lb) TIL! I have actually never seen a picture of a AV8B without pylons. If they can be removed why don't we have this option in DCS, like we do with other airplanes? Windows 10 - Intel i7 7700K 4.2 Ghz (no OC) - Asus Strix GTX 1080 8Gb - 16GB DDR4 (3000 MHz) - SSD 500GB + WD Black FZEX 1TB 6Gb/s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buur Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 look at your first picture. It clearly shows a AV8B without pylons. And this is the picture where the weight stands. So you need a deep look into the document where you get this picture to get an idea what they mentioned with empty weight. With/without pilot? With/without non consumable fuels like hydraulic oils. With/without re-fueling probe and so on ... Why you can't remove the pylons in DCS? Because RAZBAM never saw a picture of an actual Harrier without pylons. So they do not add this feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnar81 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Not to mention that in the image shown it appears the Gun Pod is actually shown on the 'empty' airplane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugel Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 If you check the "Civil Plane" checkbox, it takes off 500 lbs. That might be the pylons, though they aren´t removed visually. Weirdly enough you can add or remove the 500 lbs. of water in the mission editor, but it doesn´t change the weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aernov Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 That picture without pylons and with a gun pod also looks like day attack modification (no FLIR on the nose). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnar81 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 5:25 AM, Aernov said: That picture without pylons and with a gun pod also looks like day attack modification (no FLIR on the nose). Good observation! You are correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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