EvilBivol-1 Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/03/boeing-unveils-the-stealthy-f-.html - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
SuperKungFu Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) wow very interesting! Thanks for sharing! I can't believe they actually built one. Seems kinda like a cheap solution when they first announced it. I thought it was just a design that would never get off the drawing boards. More pics here: http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/f-15se/default.aspx Edited March 17, 2009 by SuperKungFu [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ED Team Groove Posted March 17, 2009 ED Team Posted March 17, 2009 Interesting news, especially the front RCS being similar to the one of the F-35 export version. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Kusch Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 LOL 1 april? No, this must be true... 1 Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Namenlos Ein Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Boeing Corp. press-release: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2009/q1/090317a_nr.html Why is such racket about this Silent Eagle? F-35 and Su-35 now have a strong competitor or what? PS http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/Silent031709.xml&headline=Boeing%20Unveils%20New%20Stealthy%20F-15 Edited March 17, 2009 by Namenlos Ein
tflash Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Well, I find this most interesting! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
RedTiger Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 There's more to stealth than RCS. I wonder how it holds up vs. the F-35 in the electronic emissions department. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see too much change on the inlets. It still looks like a big gaping hole with a jet engine fan at the end for radar to bounce off of.
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 So, hide your missiles and you become stealthy? Are the missiles so bad when it comes to RCS? Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
GGTharos Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Missiles are just part of it. There's a lot more to it. Canopy coating to prevent radar from entering/escaping, inlet radar traps to prevent the engines from being seen (not sure how that works on this f-15) and down-tilted AESA antenna to prevent reflections from the antenna itself. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
EtherealN Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 There could be special coating on the airframe itself to absorb some of the radar light hitting the aircraft as well, correct? I have a vague recollection of the yanks using a special paint that has such characteristics. Confirm/deny? However, I'm still pissed off about the RAH-66 being cancelled. :( [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
RedTiger Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 There could be special coating on the airframe itself to absorb some of the radar light hitting the aircraft as well, correct? I have a vague recollection of the yanks using a special paint that has such characteristics. Confirm/deny? However, I'm still pissed off about the RAH-66 being cancelled. :( RAM coatings aren't really anything new, they've been around for quite a while. Russian's used them too.
EtherealN Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Well, the thing I have a vague recollection of hearing is that the coating was actually part of the paint that they use, as opposed to a distinct compound layered on top of or below the paint. That does sound pretty awesome and cool for reasons I am not entirely sure I understand myself. :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
SuperKungFu Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I think this is just a cheap solution instead of buying a whole mess of F-22, you just have one of your most capable fighters (F-15) get upgraded to the "SE" version and call it a day. One question, can a regular F-15E be upgraded to the SE version or does it require to be built from scratch? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
EtherealN Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Well, I think it's more a case of giving an offering to people who are not allowed to buy the F-22, which would be the entire world. The export moratorium on that system even includes the US' most stalwart allies in the UK. Also, I am not entirely certain about the differences in price point between the F-35 and F-15SE and their relative capability differences in other areas, but the articles gave me the impression that Boeing is basically chasing for people that can't buy the 22 and cannot or don't want to buy the 35. As for how to construct it, haven't seen any references on the possibility of modifications but I suspect it would be a big job. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
mvsgas Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I think this is just a cheap solution instead of buying a whole mess of F-22, you just have one of your most capable fighters (F-15) get upgraded to the "SE" version and call it a day. One question, can a regular F-15E be upgraded to the SE version or does it require to be built from scratch? It would depend on cost, how similar the airframes are, could the structure on a "Echo" withstand the stress and weight of SE mods? Weight and balance, availability of upgrades, interest in current owners of E model to upgrade them, etc To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
nscode Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 People. It's not stealth. It's stealthy. It's there just to give you an edge in face to face air combat. You are not going dance thru any air defences in this one. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
EtherealN Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Well tbh, if you bring that through SAM alley I think dancing is exactly what you'll be doing. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Pilotasso Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) I see this plane in the same category as the Eurofighter. Some RCS reduction features but not LO and I will guess lower manueverability for added weight, more mature tehcnology and parts commonality with current models. Also a whoping price tag. Interesting proposition indeed. But its no F-35 nor F-22 replacer Edited March 18, 2009 by Pilotasso .
topol-m Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 At best it could be a little stealthier than the original f-15, but with this shape, intakes, external weapons its far from being stealth and is no match for su-35. With its powerfull radar the su will "see" it first and shoot it down first with little effort. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ED Team Groove Posted March 18, 2009 ED Team Posted March 18, 2009 At best it could be a little stealthier than the original f-15, but with this shape, intakes, external weapons its far from being stealth and is no match for su-35. With its powerfull radar the su will "see" it first and shoot it down first with little effort. How many Su-35 are in service in comparision to normal F-15s? Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
GGTharos Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Not sure where you got the idea the Su-35 had some kind of magical radar, but, rather, I'd say it's not a real match (though comparable) to the F-15's AESA setups ;) At best it could be a little stealthier than the original f-15, but with this shape, intakes, external weapons its far from being stealth and is no match for su-35. With its powerfull radar the su will "see" it first and shoot it down first with little effort. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 The biggest issue here is not the Su-35 radar, but rather the R-27 missile series and the data-link-less RVVAE. All under par by modern standards. Against the AIM-120C5 or the D there is not much chance anyone armed with a SARH missile could possibly hold an edge, to shoot down F15 "easely" .
topol-m Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 How many Su-35 are in service in comparision to normal F-15s? I`m not comparing the Su-35 to the F-15s in service but to this "stealth" version of f-15. Not sure where you got the idea the Su-35 had some kind of magical radar, but, rather, I'd say it's not a real match (though comparable) to the F-15's AESA setups ;) I dont think its magical, i think its superior. I`m comparing the range of the radars, the ability to track multiple targets, and to fire missiles at multiple targets at the same time. Lets not compare both aircrafts in other aspects cause the "F" will lose in most of them. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Interesting analysis based on so many unknown variables. I only know whats public: Russian mIssiles are obsolete and US has always had radar tech advantage over all others. Nuf said to debunk F-15 turkey shoot theory. Edited March 18, 2009 by Pilotasso .
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