64 GB RAM is not enough anymore?

[Steel Jaw]

Was on a few heavily populated servers, like 40 plus clients, and was hitting 63gb...

[LucShep]

 
I've seen 42GB online quite often and already found it absurd, but 63+GB ??  That's certainly not normal!

Your RTX3060Ti is a bit short with its 8GB of VRAM, and DCS easily consumes upwards of 14GB VRAM if online. Then it starts to eat RAM and pagefile to compensate.
That said, I'd take a screenshot and present it as a bug in the respective section. No sim/game should ever consume that much RAM.

[kksnowbear]

13 hours ago, Steel Jaw said:

Was on a few heavily populated servers, like 40 plus clients, and was hitting 63gb...

Out of sheer curiosity, where are you monitoring the RAM usage/with what tool(s)?

[Steel Jaw]

2 hours ago, kksnowbear said:

Out of sheer curiosity, where are you monitoring the RAM usage/with what tool(s)?

Windows task manager.

[Hiob]

Task manager reports reserved/allocated address spaces. This is not the memory that is actually used by applications at a given time.

[testudine2002]

Practically speaking, I have not seen much RAM usage over 32 GB.  But if you want another 32 GB, it will coast you a whopping $57 on Amazon.  It will take 15 minutes to install.  I'm probably going to do that just for fun when I install my new NVMe SSD card.

Memory is very cheap these days.  Just be sure you get the same brand RAM sticks you are already using for simplicity.  

[Steel Jaw]

19 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Task manager reports reserved/allocated address spaces. This is not the memory that is actually used by applications at a given time.

Yes it would appear you are correct, when I use NZXT to look at the DCS RAM usage it maxes out at 24GB wheras task manager says 62GB.

[testudine2002]

33 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Task manager reports reserved/allocated address spaces. This is not the memory that is actually used by applications at a given time.

Is there a way to know the actual usage using windows.  Isn't that a more important metric to most people than the allocation?  Why do we need to download creepy third party software for this?  What creepy third party software do you use?  HW Monitor?

 

Edit:  And can I bring HW Monitor into my VR sessions using Kneepad?

Edited November 22, 2023 by testudine2002

[LucShep]

Perhaps this might help alleviate what may be oversaturation of IO operations, due to to many threads running at the same time. It's worth a try.

In anycase, it does show DCS is able to exhaust the VRAM even with a 24GB GPU (and that seems 1440P, not even 4K, not VR) and system exceding 59GB of RAM usage(!?!).
It just looks silly that a sim/game, already a monster eating resources a few years ago, got to be this demanding. But at least it seems ED is on it (fingers crossed).
 
@Steel Jaw I'd suggest to try Taz' Optimized Textures. It'll alleviate a bit the outrageous VRAM consumption (and how the textures should have been from the start).

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by LucShep

[Hiob]

1 hour ago, testudine2002 said:

Is there a way to know the actual usage using windows.  Isn't that a more important metric to most people than the allocation?  Why do we need to download creepy third party software for this?  What creepy third party software do you use?  HW Monitor?

 

Edit:  And can I bring HW Monitor into my VR sessions using Kneepad?

 

I use HWinfo which is very non-creepy. Other good options are CPU-Z, OCCt, Aida64….. the list goes on. But I don’t actually monitor RAM usage that often. No need with 64 GB.

Maybe there even are options within windows to report actual usage of RAM. But I can’t name any from the top of my head.

 

[MAXsenna]

I use HWinfo which is very non-creepy. Other good options are CPU-Z, OCCt, Aida64….. the list goes on. But I don’t actually monitor RAM usage that often. No need with 64 GB.
Maybe there even are options within windows to report actual usage of RAM. But I can’t name any from the top of my head.
 

Process Explorer?

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[kksnowbear]

2 hours ago, Steel Jaw said:

Windows task manager.

Just to clarify: You mean the Performance Tab in the Task Manager window, is that correct?

[Steel Jaw]

1 hour ago, kksnowbear said:

Just to clarify: You mean the Performance Tab in the Task Manager window, is that correct?

Aye.

[BitMaster]

It doesn't actually matter what exactly causes your RAM to be eaten up like cheesecake. Is it dcs.exe, some cache, who knows...if it screams for more give it more.

When playing online on busy servers, some F2 and F10 and ooops  48-56GB, repeatingly.  No, it's feasible, more than 64GB might come as the new Go-To capacity

over the next 2-3 years when newer, more complex modules, newer maps etc... they all seem to add CPU load and increase RAM requirements, slowly creeping

upwards

Edited November 23, 2023 by BitMaster

[LucShep]

14 hours ago, BitMaster said:

It doesn't actually matter what exactly causes your RAM to be eaten up like cheesecake. Is it dcs.exe, some cache, who knows...if it screams for more give it more.

When playing online on busy servers, some F2 and F10 and ooops  48-56GB, repeatingly.  No, it's feasible, more than 64GB might come as the new Go-To capacity

over the next 2-3 years when newer, more complex modules, newer maps etc... they all seem to add CPU load and increase RAM requirements, slowly creeping

upwards

 

Not sure I understand... and pardon my rant here if I misunderstand.

So we should start accepting to have 56GB+ RAM and 24GB+ of VRAM usage ingame, in 2023?  And even worse in next two or three years? 

If I've read it correctly, and if that's what it means, then I'm sorry but that's stupid. On a hobby that is already pretty demanding and expensive as is. 

I was watching that video from Jabber's mesmerized thinking "how did we get here?!"?  - he seems to have a top of the line PC, and the OSD figures there are alarming.
I'm currently running DCS2.5.6 (just my preference) and, with the same modules and maps, I can not understand where to justify the RAM, VRAM, CPU and storage much(!) higher usage in version 2.9, to warrant the "step up" - it's not even a different, brand new DCS game.

IMHO, it should be contested and criticized by everyone (we're all paying customers after all). But, instead, it seems people prefer to pony up for overkill hardware, in a desperate atempt to disguise issues that should not exhist. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by LucShep

[Hiob]

Fearmongering. Nothing else.

 

[LucShep]

22 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Fearmongering. Nothing else.

 

Hey, call it what you will. 
I just believe that ED should solve this versus everyone just having to throw hardware at it.

[Steel Jaw]

2 hours ago, LucShep said:

Hey, call it what you will. 
I just believe that ED should solve this versus everyone just having to throw hardware at it.

Agreed. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Steel Jaw

[addman]

On 11/22/2023 at 10:53 PM, LucShep said:

Perhaps this might help alleviate what may be oversaturation of IO operations, due to to many threads running at the same time. It's worth a try.

In anycase, it does show DCS is able to exhaust the VRAM even with a 24GB GPU (and that seems 1440P, not even 4K, not VR) and system exceding 59GB of RAM usage(!?!).
It just looks silly that a sim/game, already a monster eating resources a few years ago, got to be this demanding. But at least it seems ED is on it (fingers crossed).
 
@Steel Jaw I'd suggest to try Taz' Optimized Textures. It'll alleviate a bit the outrageous VRAM consumption (and how the textures should have been from the start).

 

 

Yeah, it shouldn't be THAT GPU/VRAM intensive, I mean I get that it needs a lot of CPU and memory but sitting 30k feet up in the sky in the very low-res MiG-21 cockpit for example. It shouldn't use that much VRAM. There are games with A LOT more detailed textures and extremely detailed and cluttered environments that use less resources than DCS.