solved Cannot look down sights in MI-24 CPG (SP/MP)

[ACS_Dev]

I posted this in Discord last week but got no acknowledgement so I am posting it again here. At least one other person is having this issue.

I tried binding the buttons on the stick the throttle and my keyboard, none worked. Even if the CPG station isn't in observ mode I should be able to at least ADS on the sight, regardless of whether or not I can see anything. This worked fine last weekend and for the past several months but now it doesn't. Attempted by myself in a client controlled aircraft with various ATGMs. Neither a game nor pc restart fixed the problem. Again I tried 3 different input methods, all 3 of which successfully interact with the chopper in other ways. Player doesn't work either, neither does different missions or making new ones. Track enclosed.

I tried again after today's OB without success, both singleplayer and on 4YA servers.

My build far exceeds minimum specs and passes IC.

I was hoping for an update to fix this this week and was thus disappointed when it wasn't. This completely breaks the module for people like me who are primarily front seaters.

HindADSAttempt.trk

Edited November 22, 2023 by ACS_Dev

[AeriaGloria]

1 hour ago, ACS_Dev said:

I posted this in Discord last week but got no acknowledgement so I am posting it again here. At least one other person is having this issue.

I tried binding the buttons on the stick the throttle and my keyboard, none worked. Even if the CPG station isn't in observ mode I should be able to at least ADS on the sight, regardless of whether or not I can see anything. This worked fine last weekend and for the past several months but now it doesn't. Attempted by myself in a client controlled aircraft with various ATGMs. Neither a game nor pc restart fixed the problem. Again I tried 3 different input methods, all 3 of which successfully interact with the chopper in other ways. Player doesn't work either, neither does different missions or making new ones. Track enclosed.

I tried again after today's OB without success, both singleplayer and on 4YA servers.

My build far exceeds minimum specs and passes IC.

I was hoping for an update to fix this this week and was thus disappointed when it wasn't. This completely breaks the module for people like me who are primarily front seaters.

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I am on trip and can’t view the track, could you explain the problem a little different? What do you mean by ADS the sight? You are trying to look down it? Slew the sight down with button binds? 

[admiki]

It looks like you have ghost inputs. If you are sure you don't have any, do a slow reapir.

[ACS_Dev]

2 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

I am on trip and can’t view the track, could you explain the problem a little different? What do you mean by ADS the sight? You are trying to look down it? Slew the sight down with button binds? 

Hi Aeria,

It is not possible for me to view the missile sight. The button press (9K113 Aiming Profile - ON/OFF) does not actually do anything anymore when pressed, meaning I cannot guide ATGMs as a copilot in the MI-24. As any MI-24 I front-seat for will be denied the ability to use ATGMs, I am effectively useless as a copilot.

[ACS_Dev]

28 minutes ago, admiki said:

It looks like you have ghost inputs. If you are sure you don't have any, do a slow reapir.

Slow repair did not fix the issue.

[AeriaGloria]

1 hour ago, ACS_Dev said:

Hi Aeria,

It is not possible for me to view the missile sight. The button press (9K113 Aiming Profile - ON/OFF) does not actually do anything anymore when pressed, meaning I cannot guide ATGMs as a copilot in the MI-24. As any MI-24 I front-seat for will be denied the ability to use ATGMs, I am effectively useless as a copilot.

So when you press the bind for 9K113 aiming profile the screen doesn’t even go blank or anything? 

[ACS_Dev]

6 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

So when you press the bind for 9K113 aiming profile the screen doesn’t even go blank or anything? 

Absolutely nothing happens.

[admiki]

9 hours ago, ACS_Dev said:

Absolutely nothing happens.

Not according to your track. It seems like CPG is trying to lean into the scope but then gets cancelled. That's why I mentioned ghost inputs.

[ACS_Dev]

I am confused; what do you mean by ghost inputs? I just manually deleted the files housing all of my MI-24 binds for every seat in my savedgames. Loaded back into the game, now with just defaults, and it still didn't work.

Again all of this was working just fine before the update.

[admiki]

I watched your track. What I saw is you starting to lean into the sight and then half way there you back out and that repeats really fast, like something is fighting for control.

[ACS_Dev]

6 minutes ago, admiki said:

I watched your track. What I saw is you starting to lean into the sight and then half way there you back out and that repeats really fast, like something is fighting for control.

Halfway through the track I start spamming it yes.

I just pressed the button and waited 10 sec and it didn't work

[ACS_Dev]

Alright I just got the opportunity to test it in multiplayer with a friend. If someone else occupies the helicopter and I join them it works. If I just try to switch to the front seat in singleplayer or I am the original pilot it does not work.

[randomTOTEN]

Just tested this in an instant action mission. Immediately after running the latest update. It works just fine.

I suspect OP has some sort of control input conflict.

[AeriaGloria]

Check how many controls are bound to it. And maybe use a different button, you could have a fuzzed out button

[ACS_Dev]

As previously stated, I deleted the entire folder housing each of the MI-24's binding categories. It is currently bound to one thing, the default. Before that I tried multiple buttons from 3 different input sources; my keyboard, joystick and throttle, none of which work. The default binding still does not work.

[randomTOTEN]

My next suggestion is for you start trying to remove mods one at a time to find the source.

EDIT: Was there any point in the past at which this worked for you? Or have you always had this problem?

Edited November 23, 2023 by randomTOTEN

[randomTOTEN]

7 hours ago, ACS_Dev said:

Halfway through the track I start spamming it yes.

This track is incredibly short.

You appear to only make two attempts to use the sight. The first attempt finishes the animation, but at the exact moment the animation finishes, you switch to external view. Then you switch back to cockpit view for the 2nd attempt. I assume this is where you're spamming the binding?

Actually, you take the periscope immediately before switching to external view.

In this version, I take control of your track after you switch into cockpit view after viewing the outside. The command always works for me, but there is an animation glitch with the pilot body. That is until I make several inputs, at which point the animation rests, and I end the track.

HindADSAttempt 2.trk

[AeriaGloria]

Also, switching to external view will take you out of the periscope sight when you return to internal view

Edited November 24, 2023 by AeriaGloria

[randomTOTEN]

As does switching seats, when you return to the Copilot Gunner position.

[ACS_Dev]

I want to stress for the final time that it does not matter how long I wait, what I bind it to, whether I am in internal or external views, what mods I have (I don't), IT DOES NOT WORK. It works in 'true' multiplayer when someone else first occupies the helicopter and I take the co-pilot slot. Yet it doesn't work when I try it myself in singleplayer. It worked fine for the past several months prior.

[Flappie]

We need to determine what blocks you. Can you please replay @randomTOTEN 's track and tell us if it works? (don't take control over the track, just let it play until it ends)

Edited November 24, 2023 by Flappie

[admiki]

2 hours ago, ACS_Dev said:

I want to stress for the final time that it does not matter how long I wait, what I bind it to, whether I am in internal or external views, what mods I have (I don't), IT DOES NOT WORK. It works in 'true' multiplayer when someone else first occupies the helicopter and I take the co-pilot slot. Yet it doesn't work when I try it myself in singleplayer. It worked fine for the past several months prior.

I watched your track again. I really can't remember from first time, but now you were on sight for a moment before you went external view and then you again were on sight moment before track ended.

[ACS_Dev]

1 hour ago, Flappie said:

We need to determine what blocks you. Can you please replay @randomTOTEN 's track and tell us if it works? (don't take control over the track, just let it play until it ends)

 

Hi Flapplie,

I am at work currently but will have an answer for you in about 5 hours.

[ACS_Dev]

6 hours ago, Flappie said:

We need to determine what blocks you. Can you please replay @randomTOTEN 's track and tell us if it works? (don't take control over the track, just let it play until it ends)

 

I just watched it. He spent most of the last half in f10 map view for me. Essentially all of it for that matter. Did you see something different? I never saw the sight.

[Flappie]

I don't see the F10 map being displayed. I see the CPG looking down on the sight a dozen times in a row.

You should open a support ticket. Log into DCS website, click "Support", then click "Create a new ticket".