Saitek X52 zoom question

[rss0900]

Bought this last night and trying to get all my keys setup before I begin what is sure to be a long and enjoyable learning expierence. My first question is on the controls for the X52 internal and external zoom option the internal has a slow and regular zoom mode. I'm trying to made the scroll wheel on the throttle to zoom in and out so that I don't have to use the keyboard or mouse, but the "slow" option literally takes dozens of spins to see any effect of zoom (takes 30 seconds of scrolling to go in or out) and the other option is either full zoom or full out zoom with each scroll, so how do you set this to your prefernce somewhere in the middle? The external zoom works perfect but internal is frustrating me. Thanks for any advice.

[Washer UK]

I use the biggest rotary on the left stick for zooming in/out. You have to set it using bands but this is by far the best soltution I have found.

At some point you will probably notice you can map the slidder bar to zoom in/out in DCS its self, this seems the best choice but unfortunatly the cheap componants within the slidder rule that option out.

[nemises]

I use slider1 on the throttle , mapped as an axis (zoom view) .. good control, tho the slider is a bit jumpy

[rss0900]

Thanks guys I thought I really want to use the scroll wheel on the throttle but just found out the POV next to it great. Will also try the slider. Thanks

[David A Sell]

I also have the x52 and use the thumb rotory wheel to zoom, mine works great, not to fast or too slow, I set it in the axis commands to ZOOM VIEW and set it as JOY RX all this is in the black shark key settings, not SST programming. try this and you should be fine

[Ramstein]

The slider is terrible as a zoom, use the rotary and have a large deadband in the middle of zoom in/out.. use Saitek SST.

 

:joystick:

[Slayer]

That scroll wheel works great for adjusting the size of the shkval targeting box.

[pbsmgm]

I use the slider. And to prevent the judders on the slider, I created a rather large dead zone so that there are basically three stable settings. But I went through this rigorously with the X52 Pro and determined the zoom should NOT be done with the X52 profile. It needs to be configured in the slider axis in DCS to zoom. Notice the dead zones at the max zoom in and out. They are there so when you slide all the way in one direction, the judders are gone while you hold that zoom position. Of course, you can ajust it to your liking.

Edited April 4, 2009 by pbsmgm

[rss0900]

I also have the x52 and use the thumb rotory wheel to zoom, mine works great, not to fast or too slow, I set it in the axis commands to ZOOM VIEW and set it as JOY RX all this is in the black shark key settings, not SST programming. try this and you should be fine

 

 

I just found the axis control options everyone has been referencing. Thanks, yes setting the scroll here does really help! I spent about two hours trying to find out where the heck you map the throttle and other axis, the manual was no help on this one. Thanks!

[SinandGrin]

I also use the JOY RX (large thumb Rotary) programed to the ZOOM VIEW in BS and while it is considerably better than the slider I still get a bit of shaking with the ZOOM. Does anyone else have a problem with this, i wonder how good the quality of the sensors are in this HOTAS. I guess i will have to try and fool around with deadzones and saturation to get it to quit jumping about.

[pbsmgm]

SinandGrin...yes, you need to add deadzones. And my guess is you didn't configure the slider correctly since you believe it is considerably worse than the rotary. Please reference the config of my thumbnail screenshot above and notice I had to invert it too. The slider is easy to access all the time. And if you are zooming almost constantly throughout the session, then the slider is considerably better than the rotary because of it ease of use and location.

Edited March 29, 2009 by pbsmgm

[David A Sell]

sand - I used to get horrible bounceing in my zoom on that rotory, both in LOMAC and BS I tried for months to find a fix, sadly the only thing that ever fixed it was a clean re-install of windows, Not sure if yours is as bad as mine but when tryin to visual id a target 6k away it was maddening enough to warrent a re-insall :)

[Reticuli]

This is the latest version of my GlovePIE script. As you can see, I have a smoothing function that reduces zoom jumping slightly. I have not uploaded this, but it may be benificial for others to try either with the trim update system or just utilizing this particular method in another program like Python or in a custom thrustmaster script.

 

var.0 = PPJoy1.Analog0

var.1 = PPJoy1.Analog1

var.2 = PPJoy1.Analog2

var.3 = PPJoy1.Analog3

var.4 = PPJoy1.Analog4

var.5 = PPJoy1.Analog5

var.6 = PPJoy1.Analog6

PPJoy1.Analog2 = Joystick1.z

PPJoy1.Analog3 = Smooth(Joystick1.xrot, 2, .03)

PPJoy1.Analog4 = Joystick1.yrot

PPJoy1.Analog5 = Joystick1.zrot + (Joystick1.yrot * .5)

PPJoy1.Analog6 = Smooth(Joystick1.slider, 2, .03)

if doubleclicked(joystick1.button6) then begin {

var.m = var.m + 1

if var.m = 1 then begin {

say("Standard Dynamic Trim")

press(leftctrl)

press(t)

release(t)

release(leftctrl)

} end

if var.m = 2 then begin {

say("Flight Director Dynamic Trim")

press(leftctrl)

press(t)

release(t)

release(leftctrl)

} end

if var.m > 2 then var.m = 0

if var.m = 0 then begin {

say("Manual Trim")

} end

} end

if var.m = 0 then begin {

t = joystick1.button6

PPJoy1.Analog0 = Joystick1.x

PPJoy1.Analog1 = Joystick1.y

var.y = 0

var.x = 0

var.c = 0

var.l = 0

var.r = 0

var.p = 0

var.s = 0

} end

if var.m = 1 then begin {

var.c = 45

var.l = -0.575

var.r = 0.275

var.p = -0.900

var.s = 0.0

var.y = EnsureRange(Joystick1.y / var.c + var.y, var.p, var.s)

PPJoy1.Analog1 = var.y + Joystick1.y

var.x = EnsureRange(Joystick1.x / var.c + var.x, var.l, var.r)

PPJoy1.Analog0 = var.x + Joystick1.x

} end

if var.m = 2 then begin {

var.c = 70

var.l = -0.50

var.r = 0.0020

var.p = -0.775

var.s = 0.0

var.y = EnsureRange(Joystick1.y / var.c + var.y, var.p, var.s)

PPJoy1.Analog1 = var.y + Joystick1.y

var.x = EnsureRange(Joystick1.x / var.c + var.x, var.l, var.r)

PPJoy1.Analog0 = var.x + Joystick1.x

} end

[Washer UK]

SinandGrin try this, in Saitek profile editor make 3 bands for the Large rotary.

 

Band 1. 0% to 44% assigned to "Number Divide ( / )"

 

Band 2. 44% to 56% assigned to "Nothing!!"

 

Band 3. 56% to 100% assigned to "Nummult ( * )"

 

This is how mine is set up and it works perfectly

[bigsarge]

SinandGrin try this, in Saitek profile editor make 3 bands for the Large rotary.

 

Band 1. 0% to 44% assigned to "Number Divide ( / )"

 

Band 2. 44% to 56% assigned to "Nothing!!"

 

Band 3. 56% to 100% assigned to "Nummult ( * )"

 

This is how mine is set up and it works perfectly

it does work perfect Washer

thanks!:thumbup:

[Washer UK]

:D

[Kilo_60]

I use the slider. And to prevent the judders on the slider, I created a rather large dead zone so that there are basically three stable settings. But I went through this rigorously with the X52 Pro and determined the zoom should NOT be done with the X52 profile. It needs to be configured in the slider axis in DCS to zoom. Notice the dead zones at the max zoom in and out. They are there so when you slide all the way in one direction, the judders are gone while you hold that zoom position. Of course, you can ajust it to your liking.

 

Thanks for the informative post. :thumbup:

 

However, I've followed your directions exactly but still get the occasional judder when zoomed halfway in or out.

 

Still wondering what's causing this?????

[Slayer]

Thanks for the informative post. :thumbup:

 

However, I've followed your directions exactly but still get the occasional judder when zoomed halfway in or out.

 

Still wondering what's causing this?????

 

The jittering is caused by worn out or oxidized analogue potentiometers. This happens either through lack of use if its been sitting a long time or if it just becomes worn out through being used a lot. Analogue pots work with little "wiper" arms across a variable resistor. The farther it slides the higher the resistance value.

 

I believe on the X52's everything but the main joystick X and Y axies are analogue. The main joystick pots are non contact hall sensors that don't wear out. They used the old style analogue pots on everything else that gets less use to cheapen up the product so it doesn't cost over $200.00...

A quick fix from years ago before they came out with digital joystics was to spray some WD40 into the pot.

[bigsarge]

zoom OUT good , zoom IN not working

 

it does work perfect Washer

thanks!:thumbup:

 

 

:helpsmilie:Washer-

For some reason my zoom in (num *) does not work any more as it was. The zoom out (num /) works fine. I have tried to clear the profile and re enter command , save, but still no joy:cry: Im doing this in the SST software. I have the saitek X52 pro with a home made profile. thanks for your input

[Washer UK]

Does * still zoom in using the keyboard?

Did you clear the bands in SST? have they gone back in right?

Is SST software loading the right profile when it detects your x52?

[ogiedogg]

Would someone please tell me how to figure out in the BS options/ controls how to figure out on the X52 Pro just what buttons, rotary, slider corrispond to their numb assignment. I've seen 1, 101,102,/ 201,202,203. I think thats how its numbered. Also what the axis are. How would you assign the Pinkie+ trigger 1 for examp. Thanks for any help. Could you attach a thumbnail or PDF showing your results.. Tks...