Steering f15e

[Ghostmaker]

Has anyone had steering issues after landing? I feel the landings were fairly good. But then it trya to drift left and right so steerings like being on ice

[Hiob]

Try to disable the nose wheel steering during landing (disconnect lever if you bound it) and use rudder until you‘re slow enough.

Edit:

usually when this happens to me (in the 15 but also in the 16 or F1), I‘m just to fast.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Hiob

[Ghostmaker]

Cheers mate ill tey it. Wheres the lever for this ive cockpit?

Also how do you get x & y for waypoints from f10 map as i would like to add new landing strips via waypoints

[Hiob]

30 minutes ago, Ghostmaker said:

Cheers mate ill tey it. Wheres the lever for this ive cockpit?

Also how do you get x & y for waypoints from f10 map as i would like to add new landing strips via waypoints

The lever is on the backside of the control stick. It‘s called „Paddle switch“ in the control options.

You can change how the coordinates in the top left of the F10 map is shown by clicking on it.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Hiob

[Ghostmaker]

Ah ok yeah i know the one. Ive not set it up. Cheers bud ill have a look on the f10 map

[Starfire13]

13 hours ago, Ghostmaker said:

Ah ok yeah i know the one. Ive not set it up. Cheers bud ill have a look on the f10 map

Yeah, definitely bind it as you'll need it for take off. You're supposed to disable nosewheel steering by holding down the paddle switch once you hit 75 knots, because from that point on, you're correcting your heading with the rudders, not the nosewheel.

[Ghostmaker]

And on landing, hold the paddle down and then release it wen at a lower speed

[Hiob]

@Ghostmaker exactly

[Swift.]

On 12/28/2023 at 10:20 AM, Starfire13 said:

Yeah, definitely bind it as you'll need it for take off. You're supposed to disable nosewheel steering by holding down the paddle switch once you hit 75 knots, because from that point on, you're correcting your heading with the rudders, not the nosewheel.

I don't think you are "supposed" to disable NWS btw, but it seems to help for some control setups.

[Rainmaker]

Yeah….holding the paddle removes all centering hydraulic pressure from the nose wheel. Its definitely NOT what you are ‘supposed’ to do.  

Edited January 2, 2024 by Rainmaker

[Hiob]

1 hour ago, Rainmaker said:

Yeah….holding the paddle removes all centering hydraulic pressure from the nose wheel. Its definitely NOT what you are ‘supposed’ to do.  

 

Really? Source? in-game it just keeps the NWS centered.

[Wing]

There is a "shimmy dampener" installed on the real jets.

As far as takeoff or landing sensitivity, the hydraulic system does have a dampener built in to slow NWS movement to allow for refined control. How exactly Razbam/DCS has modelled the feel of this compared to irl, probably shows some causes for tuning.

[Miro]

2 hours ago, Hiob said:

Really? Source? in-game it just keeps the NWS centered.

Try add power to one engine when You are stopped, with holding paddle, You got front wheel without hydro center, just like mig 15

On 12/27/2023 at 9:01 PM, Ghostmaker said:

Has anyone had steering issues after landing? I feel the landings were fairly good. But then it trya to drift left and right so steerings like being on ice

After this situation occurs, just stop the plane, press and relase paddle.

Edited January 2, 2024 by Miro

[Rainmaker]

4 hours ago, Hiob said:

Really? Source? in-game it just keeps the NWS centered.

Its a caster wheel so there is some natural centering if going farward.  Like above, the effects of doing such things aren't as bothersome as IRL as everything is perfectly balanced out.  

3 hours ago, Wing said:

There is a "shimmy dampener" installed on the real jets.

As far as takeoff or landing sensitivity, the hydraulic system does have a dampener built in to slow NWS movement to allow for refined control. How exactly Razbam/DCS has modelled the feel of this compared to irl, probably shows some causes for tuning.

There is a dampener modeled, but its never going to fit everyone like with the stick and things like extension/no extension, curves are going to be your biggest friend. 

[draconus]

On 12/27/2023 at 9:05 PM, Hiob said:

Try to disable the nose wheel steering during landing

Why would you advise this? Where did you read that? Certainly not F-15 manual. Disconnecting NGS is for ground crew, maintenance and rudder testing without the tire bending. Other aircraft may and do have other procedures.

Pilot have rudder pedals and should use them to keep centered. Even in no wind condition no aircraft is perfectly balanced.

Edited January 5, 2024 by draconus

[Hiob]

2 hours ago, draconus said:

Why would you advise this? Where did you read that? Certainly not F-15 manual. Disconnecting NGS is for ground crew, maintenance and rudder testing without the tire bending. 

 

 I didn‘t study manuals nor did I overthink it. I just figured that disabling NWS or at least reduce gain above certain speeds to keep it from over correcting is common in many aircraft (Viper, F-1), and there must be a reason, that the function is so prominently placed on the paddle switch….

[draconus]

9 minutes ago, Hiob said:

 I didn‘t study manuals nor did I overthink it. I just figured that disabling NWS or at least reduce gain above certain speeds to keep it from over correcting is common in many aircraft (Viper, F-1), and there must be a reason, that the function is so prominently placed on the paddle switch….

OK, fair enough. It is indeed a procedure to follow in other aircraft to turn off NWS beyond a certain ground speed.