How do you like DLSS?

[Moxica]

I used DLSS when I played on Reverb G2.
With Pimax lights, it becomes more obvious that it just replace stutter with mush.

[jnr4817]

I have swapped over to using DLSS quality with PCL with QV and have noticed improvements and have way better experience. No stutters, no mush, no ghosting.

[PawlaczGMD]

AMD's FSR3 is not usable in most scenarios. In any situation where you rely on spotting a moving target with your eyes, it causes a lot of ghosting and blurring. It becomes hard to tell aspect even at close range, and targets blend in with the ground. I would not recommend it for DCS. I hear that DLSS is better, but unfortunately I fell for the AMD meme.

Well, if you only fight in BVR, it might work for you, it's better to have some blurriness than low FPS, especially in VR.

I use FSR in MSFS, where tracking a target is not a concern, and it works quite well there, although it blurs the cockpit a bit. As there is no foveated rendering there, it is the only thing that enables me to play the game in VR. 

Sadly, it looks like the next gen of GPUs offer minimal improvements in terms of raw power, and the industry will rely on DLSS/FSR to play in high resolution. As I want to get the Pimax Super VR headset, I will need to use DLSS to make it work, no way around it. I am waiting to see how good DLSS 4 is before I buy. Optimally, I am planning to get the Super and 5080, and use DLSS4 +QV to make it work in DCS.

Hopefully someone with a 5000 series can report how it works for DCS in a few weeks.

Edited January 16 by PawlaczGMD

[nephilimborn]

On 3/19/2024 at 10:23 AM, Dangerzone said:

Do you find locking to 45fps eliminates stuttering for you as it's exactly half of your refresh rate? (Or by saying you lock fps at 45, are you saying that you use motion reprojection)?

For a separate reason (BSOD) i recently have tried 120hz locked to 60 (no smoothing); it definitely removed the stuttering esp from 20degress+ left/right in ah-64d on the syria map, however it appears a bit blurry for some reason that i cannot technically explain. Normally i can achieve a fairly smooth experience with other airframes on the syria map, however not with the ah-64.

[HoBGoBLiNzx3]

18 hours ago, nephilimborn said:

For a separate reason (BSOD) i recently have tried 120hz locked to 60 (no smoothing); it definitely removed the stuttering esp from 20degress+ left/right in ah-64d on the syria map, however it appears a bit blurry for some reason that i cannot technically explain. Normally i can achieve a fairly smooth experience with other airframes on the syria map, however not with the ah-64.

I'm actually doing the same but with smart smoothing and it actually works really well... A few odd ghostings here or there but really not that bad and it feels really smooth.

[Zebra1-1]

On 1/15/2025 at 6:23 PM, PawlaczGMD said:

AMD's FSR3 is not usable in most scenarios. In any situation where you rely on spotting a moving target with your eyes, it causes a lot of ghosting and blurring. It becomes hard to tell aspect even at close range, and targets blend in with the ground. I would not recommend it for DCS. I hear that DLSS is better, but unfortunately I fell for the AMD meme.

Well, if you only fight in BVR, it might work for you, it's better to have some blurriness than low FPS, especially in VR.

I use FSR in MSFS, where tracking a target is not a concern, and it works quite well there, although it blurs the cockpit a bit. As there is no foveated rendering there, it is the only thing that enables me to play the game in VR. 

Sadly, it looks like the next gen of GPUs offer minimal improvements in terms of raw power, and the industry will rely on DLSS/FSR to play in high resolution. As I want to get the Pimax Super VR headset, I will need to use DLSS to make it work, no way around it. I am waiting to see how good DLSS 4 is before I buy. Optimally, I am planning to get the Super and 5080, and use DLSS4 +QV to make it work in DCS.

Hopefully someone with a 5000 series can report how it works for DCS in a few weeks.

Won't be much different than the 4080 Super. Current reviews are 10% better on average. Rumors are already starting for a 5080 Ti/Super with 24GB VRAM.

[PawlaczGMD]

On 1/30/2025 at 6:58 PM, Zebra1-1 said:

Won't be much different than the 4080 Super. Current reviews are 10% better on average. Rumors are already starting for a 5080 Ti/Super with 24GB VRAM.

Yeah, I saw that. I might hold off on both Pimax and GPU upgrade until next gen.

[Zebra1-1]

3 minutes ago, PawlaczGMD said:

Yeah, I saw that. I might hold off on both Pimax and GPU upgrade until next gen.

Keep in mind that DLSS currently works in DCS and that DLSS4 will work with older cards. Just not the Frame Gen which to my knowledge doesn't work with VR anyway. So you could look for a good deal on a used RTX 3090. FSR 4 is likely also being launched with the new 9070 cards. Not sure how accurate the early claims are, but several online sources CLAIM that the 9070 XT is 10% slower than the 5080. That would put it in 4080 territory. 

[PawlaczGMD]

6 minutes ago, Zebra1-1 said:

Keep in mind that DLSS currently works in DCS and that DLSS4 will work with older cards. Just not the Frame Gen which to my knowledge doesn't work with VR anyway. So you could look for a good deal on a used RTX 3090. FSR 4 is likely also being launched with the new 9070 cards. Not sure how accurate the early claims are, but several online sources CLAIM that the 9070 XT is 10% slower than the 5080. That would put it in 4080 territory. 

Yeah, I already have a 7900 XTX, so the only 2 things I was interested in are:

-DLSS4 (FSR sucks in DCS)

-CUDA

Maybe FSR 4 will be much better and usable, I will wait and see. I can always get a used mid range Nvidia card to run my CUDA stuff and just run 2 GPUs.

[Zebra1-1]

4 minutes ago, PawlaczGMD said:

Yeah, I already have a 7900 XTX, so the only 2 things I was interested in are:

-DLSS4 (FSR sucks in DCS)

-CUDA

Maybe FSR 4 will be much better and usable, I will wait and see. I can always get a used mid range Nvidia card to run my CUDA stuff and just run 2 GPUs.

Thats too bad that FSR is so bad. Watching several reviews of the 5080 against the 4080 and 9700 XTX, the XTX is actually a really good card and holding up very well in other games. AMD has a real good shot here to surprise people. 

Edited February 1 by Zebra1-1

[PawlaczGMD]

1 minute ago, Zebra1-1 said:

Thats too bad that FSR is so bad. Watching several reviews of the 5080 against the 4080 and 9700 XTX, the XTX is actually a really good card and holding up very well in other games. AMD has a real good shot here to surprise people. 

Yes, I am very happy with the AMD raw performance / price, and would recommend it if you don't upscale. Sadly, it has a couple of lacking niche features that I want: CUDA and running AI on Windows in an easy way.

[MAXsenna]

On 2/1/2025 at 5:02 AM, PawlaczGMD said:

I can always get a used mid range Nvidia card to run my CUDA stuff and just run 2 GPUs.

Ah, the days I used Nvidia for DirectX and 3Dfx for the rest.  

[nephilimborn]

On 1/30/2025 at 11:35 AM, HoBGoBLiNzx3 said:

I'm actually doing the same but with smart smoothing and it actually works really well... A few odd ghostings here or there but really not that bad and it feels really smooth.

Took your advice and had another crack at this; with smart smoothing on and dlss 4 quality (preset j) this worked alot better - had alot of jitter before that was not related to cpu nor gpu frametimes. For me, this works really well with slower airframes like the AH-64D, however i still have a bit jitter present with high speed low to the ground such as with the F-14 and esp on the Syria map even with good frametimes. That being said, overall this is a much better experience than trying to chase a consistent 72hz. Thank you!