Why does editing your counter measures programs via CMDS_ALE47.lua break integrity check now?

[draconus]

9 hours ago, killjoy73au said:

People like you who make excuses for a company are part of the problem as to why things like this happen and basic bugs and issues never get fixed.

What's your solution? How do we make them behave?

Here's a cut from 2024 and beyond newsletter:

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/341284-official-news-2024/?do=findComment&comment=5365197

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In parallel with the development of the new modules discussed in last week’s newsletter, we will also continue to update, fix, and improve existing aircraft and maps. Some of these efforts include, but are not limited to: ...

Data Transfer Card (DTC). For each aircraft, the DTC consists of a variety of areas that are first modeled such as datalink, navigation, radio, weapons, sensors, and more. Once these elements are completed, they will be organized into a unified DTC interface.

Edited February 13, 2024 by draconus

[BIGNEWY]

8 hours ago, killjoy73au said:

You've missed the point completely about ED having years to implement the data cartridge feature and spending time and effort actually limiting a modules capabilities while providing no interim alternative.

People like you who make excuses for a company are part of the problem as to why things like this happen and basic bugs and issues never get fixed

Please dial it back, no one is making excuses. 

The data cartridge is a very complex task, it is for more than one aircraft and it will take time, I think some think we are a massive company with unlimited resources, we are not so you will have to continue to be patient. 

thank you 

[Dragon1-1]

That does nothing to address the fact that we used to have a feature that stood in for DTC, and it got severely restricted. Of course DTC is a huge and complex feature, that's why the interim solution should have been allowed to stand.

[buceador]

9 hours ago, killjoy73au said:

You've missed the point completely

Oh dear...
it seems like anyone who disagrees with you is missing the point.
 

 

9 hours ago, killjoy73au said:

spending time and effort actually limiting a modules capabilities

This makes it sound like they are sitting around a table, plotting how they can make your DCS experience miserable?  Why not focus on all the great aspects of the SIM that have been achieved rather than whining about one, comparatively, minor aspect that bugs you?

(In case you have no recollection of how things were...)

 

Edited February 13, 2024 by buceador

[MAXsenna]

This makes it sound like they are sitting around a table, plotting how they can make your DCS experience miserable?  Why not focus on all the great aspects of the SIM that have been achieved rather than whining about one, comparatively, minor aspect that bugs you?
(In case you have recollection of how things were...)
 

As a temporary solution. Could it be moved to Saved Games, or would it still be up for explotation perhaps?

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[killjoy73au]

32 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Please dial it back, no one is making excuses. 

The data cartridge is a very complex task, it is for more than one aircraft and it will take time, I think some think we are a massive company with unlimited resources, we are not so you will have to continue to be patient. 

thank you 

That's fine, nobody said it wasn't a complex task, but whats the reason for not implementing something in-between instead of just taking it away outright? The J-17 has had the ability to modify countermeasures in the special menu from day one yet how many years has the F-16 been out for now..?

It's not a matter of being patient, (Even though you've literally had a decade to sort things like this out) It's a matter of paying a lot of money for a product and having things taken away from it rather than added, Important things if anybody has ever been on a PVP server... Would it have been that difficult to add in an interim solution on top of the effort and time spent in making the CMS .lua require an IC check?

 

[buceador]

7 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

or would it still be up for exploration perhaps?

Exploration or exploitation?

[BIGNEWY]

1 minute ago, killjoy73au said:

That's fine, nobody said it wasn't a complex task, but whats the reason for not implementing something in-between instead of just taking it away outright? The J-17 has had the ability to modify countermeasures in the special menu from day one yet how many years has the F-16 been out for now..?

It's not a matter of being patient, (Even though you've literally had a decade to sort things like this out) It's a matter of paying a lot of money for a product and having things taken away from it rather than added, Important things if anybody has ever been on a PVP server... Would it have been that difficult to add in an interim solution on top of the effort and time spent in making the CMS .lua require an IC check?

 

 

I understand it may be difficult to understand why tasks take so long, again I can not stress the complexity of what is required for the data cartridge implementation, work is in progress, spending time on other interim solution's would just waste more time when we are already working on a core solution.

We are not going to change the fact that a pure client will be required for servers who enable the full integrity check, as stated many times. 

Servers can already allow mods and edits by adjusting the IC levels or by disabling it. The servers who run full integrity check do so for a reason, there are people out there who cheat.

thank you 

[killjoy73au]

4 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

 

I understand it may be difficult to understand why tasks take so long, again I can not stress the complexity of what is required for the data cartridge implementation, work is in progress, spending time on other interim solution's would just waste more time when we are already working on a core solution.

We are not going to change the fact that a pure client will be required for servers who enable the full integrity check, as stated many times. 

Servers can already allow mods and edits by adjusting the IC levels or by disabling it. The servers who run full integrity check do so for a reason, there are people out there who cheat.

thank you 

Well I guess you already have my money so what's the point in even complaining about bad business practices, right?

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, killjoy73au said:

Well I guess you already have my money so what's the point in even complaining about bad business practices, right?

You are going off topic now, but I understand your frustration and only hope we can meet your exceptions one day.  

[MAXsenna]

Exploration or exploitation?

Ahhhhhrg! Exploit! That bloody autocorrect!

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[draconus]

23 minutes ago, killjoy73au said:

It's a matter of paying a lot of money for a product and having things taken away from it rather than added

No, it's between you and server admin. You with your modified game files are not welcome there.

[BIGNEWY]

Folks please ensure the replies to this thread are on topic. 

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thank you