F-4E Phantom II Development Update and Release Delay Announcement

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

7 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

And they claim men don't show emotions! Bollocks!

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Exactly, we just reserve our emotions for ancient civilizations we're so far removed from, it doesn't even matter if we live where they did AND anything that flies, moves, or shoots.

[Viper33]

3 hours ago, Stackup said:

Heaven forbid people point out the history of missed dates and previous actions/statements of a highly regarded company in an effort to shed light on why some people might be fed up.  But no, any criticism of how a company runs their business is to be met with the loyal defense brigade and instant hyperbolic exagerations and accusations of calling Heatblur "evil, money grubbing, corporate slime of the worst kind" (which no one but them ever has) or direct attacks against the consumers calling them "whiny children who don't understand money".  It's laughable how childish, whiny, and completely condescending the response is from the complainers of complaining.  It's straight to character attacks, stereotypes, and baseless assumptions about people they have never met nor will ever likely meet.

 

"Oh they aren't real men because I just know they'll all complain about how hard the Phantom is to fly, and real men don't want a challenge or ever complain about things they don't like."  Please, you're complaining about how others are choosing to spend their own time and money. Doesn't seem very manly to me, but what do I know, I'm just a random guy on the internet.

 

Because they can't provide any constructive and factual counterarguments to said evidence. So they resort to "stop complaining" and ad hominem attacks. I understand that baseless complaining is annoying but this is far from baseless and like you said, you provided examples and factual evidence from the past to back up your claims. If people are willing to see a preorder like throwing away money (great financial decision by the way) and are ok with that then other can ask simple questions whether something is delayed or not. Most people experienced enough with DCS and software releaess already knew that the Phantom would be delayed back in April, yet the same people defended HB stating that March 31st will for sure be the date. It's almost a perpetual cycle.

[=475FG= Dawger]

24 minutes ago, Viper33 said:

Because they can't provide any constructive and factual counterarguments to said evidence. So they resort to "stop complaining" and ad hominem attacks. I understand that baseless complaining is annoying but this is far from baseless and like you said, you provided examples and factual evidence from the past to back up your claims. If people are willing to see a preorder like throwing away money (great financial decision by the way) and are ok with that then other can ask simple questions whether something is delayed or not. Most people experienced enough with DCS and software releaess already knew that the Phantom would be delayed back in April, yet the same people defended HB stating that March 31st will for sure be the date. It's almost a perpetual cycle.

If you think buying a DCS module is a financial decision, you definitely shouldn't be pre-ordering. You probably shouldn't be playing DCS either.

[Stackup]

43 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

If you think buying a DCS module is a financial decision, you definitely shouldn't be pre-ordering. You probably shouldn't be playing DCS either.

Okay, let's be pedantic then.  Finacial decisions by definition involve money.  There's no minimum amount of money to consider something financial.  So long as money is involved in a decision, it's financial.

[=475FG= Dawger]

9 minutes ago, Stackup said:

Okay, let's be pedantic then.  Finacial decisions by definition involve money.  There's no minimum amount of money to consider something financial.  So long as money is involved in a decision, it's financial.

Nope. Finance is money management. Your household budget is a financial decision. Individual purchases are not. If a DCS module rises to the level of "financial decision", that means it is a major budget item, which would automatically mean it should be stricken from the budget as it is a completely unnecessary item.

If you can't throw the price of a module out the window once or twice a year without thought to its impact on your budget, you should not be anywhere near pre-ordering anything.

[Stackup]

23 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

Individual purchases are not.

So you don't budget at all for "fun/blow money"?  That should be a part of your budget no matter how big, and you keep forgetting to differentiate between major and minor with your generalized "financial decision".

Edit:  Also, why do you keep making this about preorders?  No one but you has been talking about that.  We're in here talking about the history of delays Heabtlur has had, given that this topic is about the most recent delay in the first place.  I haven't preordered and have said as much previously.  Heatblur is also giving out refunds no questions asked.  I wouldn't take advice from some random guy on the internet anyways, especially if you think a preorder should be treated as "throwing money away" and not something closer to the truth like "future investment".  Because that's what it is.  You don't get anything if you throw money away and if you do then it wasn't thrown away in the first place, it was given in exchange for future goods and services.

Edited May 5, 2024 by Stackup

[diego999]

1 hour ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

If you think buying a DCS module is a financial decision, you definitely shouldn't be pre-ordering. You probably shouldn't be playing DCS either.

 

Funny. His post described you perfectly.

 

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Because they can't provide any constructive and factual counterarguments to said evidence. So they resort to "stop complaining" and ad hominem attacks

 

[=475FG= Dawger]

42 minutes ago, Stackup said:

So you don't budget at all for "fun/blow money"?  That should be a part of your budget no matter how big, and you keep forgetting to differentiate between major and minor with your generalized "financial decision".

Edit:  Also, why do you keep making this about preorders?  No one but you has been talking about that.  We're in here talking about the history of delays Heabtlur has had, given that this topic is about the most recent delay in the first place.  I haven't preordered and have said as much previously.  Heatblur is also giving out refunds no questions asked.  I wouldn't take advice from some random guy on the internet anyways, especially if you think a preorder should be treated as "throwing money away" and not something closer to the truth like "future investment".  Because that's what it is.  You don't get anything if you throw money away and if you do then it wasn't thrown away in the first place, it was given in exchange for future goods and services.

 

My fun/blow money budget isn’t itemized. Hookers/Blow/DCS modules are all in the same pile. 

I am talking about preorders based on the assumption that no one would be lame enough to whine about release delays if they hadn’t actually parted with some cash.

Upon reflection, that is a ridiculous assumption. The most likely scenario is those complaining are just here to complain. They haven’t preordered, won’t be post ordering and will never fly the HB Phantom. 
 

 

 

[G.J.S]

Guys - come on.

In a few weeks everyone is going to feel just a little bit silly after all the statements and jibes that seem to have been the norm lately.

Everyone is just making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

[Stackup]

14 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

My fun/blow money budget isn’t itemized. Hookers/Blow/DCS modules are all in the same pile. 

So you admit you do in fact budget for this stuff though.  Itemized or not you have money set aside for it, thanks for answering.

 

15 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

I am talking about preorders based on the assumption that no one would be lame enough to whine about release delays if they hadn’t actually parted with some cash.

Upon reflection, that is a ridiculous assumption. The most likely scenario is those complaining are just here to complain. They haven’t preordered, won’t be post ordering and will never fly the HB Phantom. 

Again, no one wants to talk about preorders here but you! 

And here we come back to ad hominem and baseless attacks.  When I purchase the HB F-4 is absolutely none of your business (although I've already told you when that will happen) and it's none of my business when you spend your money either or what you spend it on unless you bring it up.  The last thing I preordered in DCS was the Mosquito.  Not doing that again, there's just no point. 

I'll say it again since you obviously didn't read it the first time.  When HB actually has an F-4 available for download, then and only then will I make my purchase.  I will be flying a Heatblur F-4. Whether I still decide to get the F-4E, wait for the naval variant, or buy both is completely up to me and nothing you can say will affect my decision.

Release delays happen to more than just the F-4 you know...  Where's my A-6 AI?  Or the F-14A early I paid for when I bought the F-14?  The customer has every right to complain when a company tells them something is coming and then it does not, end of story.  Will it make the product come any faster?  No probably not.  Doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to talk about it or have to spend money (which I have for the F-14 btw) to have an opinion.

[Stackup]

28 minutes ago, G.J.S said:

Guys - come on.

In a few weeks everyone is going to feel just a little bit silly after all the statements and jibes that seem to have been the norm lately.

Maybe.  Time will tell.

29 minutes ago, G.J.S said:

Everyone is just making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

I sincerely hope that Heatblur can turn their mountain of a roadmap into a more molehill sized pile sooner rather than later.  They've got at least a decade if not more of planned projects and that's just what we know about.

[BIGNEWY]

folks we know you are all excited, it will be worth the wait, Heatblur have been working incredibly hard. 

With that said please keep on topic here, treat everyone with respect. 

thank you

[G.J.S]

A little something to calm the fever, soothe the brow, and ruddy drool over

 

 

Edited May 6, 2024 by G.J.S

[Hayrake YE-ZB]

That photo looks loud!

[Viper33]

21 hours ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

If you think buying a DCS module is a financial decision, you definitely shouldn't be pre-ordering. You probably shouldn't be playing DCS either.

Where did I say DCS was an investement? Don't put words in my mouth.

Let me give you an example - if I go to a restaurant and the food isn't good or worth the money I simply won't go there again. If I oder a pizza and it never arrives I am at the very least going to call the place and ask where it is. If you are fine with getting nothing for the money you throw at companies that's your own problem. 

19 hours ago, G.J.S said:

Everyone is just making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

Were people also making a mountain out of a mole-hill when they asked for a release date back in April and March when it was also unclear whether the Winter/March 31st deadline would be upheld? Surely everyone is simply overreacting with this module only for no reason whatsoever.

[BIGNEWY]

I know for some the wait is unbearable but it will be worth the wait. We will be sharing news soon.

thank you 

 

[Archangel44]

24-25 days out.

I’ve waited almost 6 months and a few more days is just a few more days, unless I die then all of this won’t matter one bit.

 

[__Mad__]

5 minutes ago, Archangel44 said:

24-25 days out.

I’ve waited almost 6 months and a few more days is just a few more days, unless I die then all of this won’t matter one bit.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they delay it again

[=475FG= Dawger]

1 hour ago, __Mad__ said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they delay it again

If I were HB, I would delay until fall. Summer is the slow season. 

[NoodI]

1 hour ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

If I were HB, I would delay until fall. Summer is the slow season. 

or maybe till winter cause people are cooling down in fall you know

[LorenLuke]

2 hours ago, NoodI said:

or maybe till winter cause people are cooling down in fall you know

Or maybe just till next year, since people are all worked up expecting it to come out.

[Q3ark]

Maybe they should only do a release on other platforms so people here can calm down 

[Basco1]

I just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone for the wonderful entertainment I have enjoyed reading this section of the forum whilst awaiting the F4 over the past few months ......Especially to all the arm chair experts,you've made an old man very happy.....what a hoot 

[WarbossPetross]

2 часа назад, Basco1 сказал:

I just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone for the wonderful entertainment I have enjoyed reading this section of the forum whilst awaiting the F4 over the past few months ......Especially to all the arm chair experts,you've made an old man very happy.....what a hoot 

Yeah, after the F-15E CFT thread dried out we need a new goldmine

[Czar66]

12 hours ago, NoodI said:

or maybe till winter cause people are cooling down in fall you know

...why not keeping for early 2025 to get the year started on the right foot?