Proper Damage Model

[f15e]

We heard news a few years ago that a proper damage model would be added for jets but still nothing has changed. Is it a low priority task or has it just straight up been canceled? 

[Tank50us]

The new damage models are being tested out on the Warbirds. Warbirds like the P51 are a bit more simplistic since they don't have to worry about all the fancy electronics and such like a Viper or Hornet would. You'll see the results of this in the upcoming F-4E, as it'll be the first jet with this new damage model added. The reason it's taking so long isn't that it's a low-priority subject, it's that trying to realistically simulate what happens to an aircraft when it gets hit takes a lot of coding (and DCS is filled with Spaghetti code, part of what Vulkan is meant to fix), a lot of studying (there's probably TB worth of data on this stuff, from journals to wind tunnel tests to break-bird tests), and finally a lot of simple trial and error (you don't want a .303 rifle round having the same effect as an 8.8cm, right?).

So, yeah. It just takes a bit of time to work on. And keep in mind, modern aircraft are made from a wide variety of materials. Steel, Aluminum, Titanium, Carbon Fiber, Rubber, etc. Part of the reason to trial it on Warbirds is that while many of the aforementioned materials were used, they were used in ways that makes damage a bit more predictable. Translating that to a modern jet takes time.

As I said, you'll likely see the first iterations of this in the F-4. They've mentioned already that lights (as an example) don't just have a simple "on or off", they will flicker, flutter, and dim realistically in the Phantom. This tech and coding will eventually find its way into the existing modules, with older aircraft (like the F-86) being more prone to failures (like you gun sight taking a nap) than newer planes. With the sheer number of modules this will effect, it's gonna take some time, and I'm fairly certain ED and the third party's are going to prioritize their most popular modules over their less popular ones when it comes time for a proper rollout.

[f15e]

If f4e comes with a proper damage model I'm 100% buying

 

[Silver_Dragon]

15 hours ago, f15e said:

If f4e comes with a proper damage model I'm 100% buying
 

Damage model technology coming from ED side, no 3rd parties.

Enviado desde mi CPH2197 mediante Tapatalk
 

Edited March 19, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[pabletesoy]

It's been 3 or 4 years since they started with WWII aircraft...the day the Jets get their chance we'll all be bald.

[Silver_Dragon]

9 minutes ago, pabletesoy said:

It's been 3 or 4 years since they started with WWII aircraft...the day the Jets get their chance we'll all be bald.

WW2 aircrats modules by ED has all the new damage model, Jets / Helos DM has on progress.

[pabletesoy]

Looking forward to its arrival!

[pabletesoy]

I have done some testing with the P-47 and something is wrong, am I doing something wrong or is it the damage model?

[Silver_Dragon]

5 minutes ago, pabletesoy said:

I have done some testing with the P-47 and something is wrong, am I doing something wrong or is it the damage model?

about?

[pabletesoy]

Nothing, I got confused. It's obviously perfect!

[BIGNEWY]

10 minutes ago, pabletesoy said:

I have done some testing with the P-47 and something is wrong, am I doing something wrong or is it the damage model?

please include the track replay from your tests if you think something is wrong, we can take a look. 

 

[pabletesoy]

Sorry, I'm not trying to "attack" DCS, I don't know if I'm giving that impression, but I'm not going that way.

If I hear that the warbirds DM has been improved, I want to try it. Really we need a track to see that the landing gear, control surfaces or cockpit are indestructible?

[NineLine]

A track file should be easy for you to recreate, it can be telling if there is something else going on. thanks.

[NineLine]

I did a quick test and I do seem to see an issue with the P-47, as always any bug report a track is appreciated. Thanks.

Also, note you may not always get good test results from an aircraft sitting on the tarmac as the DM shines in the air. Thanks. 

[NineLine]

Turns out this is an AI-only issue, the new wheel system is being added to the P-47 as we speak so this should be solved with that edition. Thanks

[pabletesoy]

Thanks NinLine and Bignewy for the for your attention!