How best to fake A model?

[Gunfreak]

The obvious is to use L or older AIM-9s.

No JHMCS or Night Vision, no ECM POD, tpod etc etc 

What else? Turn off radar? Not use HSD?

[TobiasA]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Gunfreak:

The obvious is to use L or older AIM-9s.

No JHMCS or Night Vision, no ECM POD, tpod etc etc 

What else? Turn off radar? Not use HSD?

The A had a single monochrome MFD, and the radar had a considerably lower range. It wasn't bad though, but used mainly for navigation as it didn't carry AIM-7. The FCS was different, less thrust but also less weight.

Turning off datalink and GPS and entirely relying on dumb bombs will probably get you close.

As close as you get without modding DCS.

However, many A in europe got a MLU upgrade, bringing many features that the C had, like two MFDs and AIM-120.

[Northstar98]

To be honest, unless you're looking at trying to represent an F-16A MLU, the F-16CM just has too many unreconcileable differences to reasonably approximate an F-16A. Apart from the instruments and some of the control panels, the F-16A cockpit was more similar to the Mirage 2000C cockpit.

4 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

no ECM POD

That should still be on the table for an A, though probably operator dependent.

This image is dated 01/05/1980 and shows an AN/ALQ-119 on an F-16A Block 5 (externally though, the -119 and the -184 look fairly similar):

[Gunfreak]

10 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

To be honest, unless you're looking at trying to represent an F-16A MLU, the F-16CM just has too many unreconcileable differences to reasonably approximate an F-16A. Apart from the instruments and some of the control panels, the F-16A cockpit was more similar to the Mirage 2000C cockpit.

That should still be on the table for an A, though probably operator dependent.

This image is dated 01/05/1980 and shows an AN/ALQ-119 on an F-16A Block 5 (externally though, the -119 and the -184 look fairly similar):

I'm talking gameplay capabilities. By turning off most things and only using the J/N or P sidewinders. It's as close as it can be done in DCS.

[Northstar98]

24 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

I'm talking gameplay capabilities. By turning off most things and only using the J/N or P sidewinders. It's as close as it can be done in DCS.

In that case:

For weapons you can keep all sidewinders apart from the X and just about every unguided munition. The only AGM you should probably have available is the AGM-65D.

No JHMCS, data link or targeting pod and I guess the FCR and SMS pages would be just about the only thing approaching what an A would have.

[Gunfreak]

12 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

In that case:

For weapons you can keep all sidewinders apart from the X and just about every unguided munition. The only AGM you should probably have available is the AGM-65D.

No JHMCS, data link or targeting pod and I guess the FCR and SMS pages would be just about the only thing approaching what an A would have.

From what I've gathered Norwegian F16s didn't have Ls until way into the 80s. So the first delivered had stuff like J/N and P(unknown which P variant) and Norwegian F16s flew with Ls or a mix of L and Ms in the 90s or even early 2000s after the MLU upgrade.

[MAXsenna]

The stick grip is completely different as well, and nowhere near as many buttons.

IIRC you're into model kits? Have a look at this. Browse way down to see some pictures.
Cheers!

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235073876-112-scale-f-16-cockpit-italeri/

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[Northstar98]

18 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

From what I've gathered Norwegian F16s didn't have Ls until way into the 80s. So the first delivered had stuff like J/N and P(unknown which P variant) and Norwegian F16s flew with Ls or a mix of L and Ms in the 90s or even early 2000s after the MLU upgrade.

I'm afraid I don't know much when it comes to when the RNoAF received AIM-9L, though at least you can use the AGM-65D as the closest thing to a Penguin (though with a fraction of the range and half the warhead). Not sure what other A/G ordnance the RNoAF had in its inventory.

Edited April 28, 2024 by Northstar98
Corrected RB 12 -> Penguin, no idea why I decided to use the Swedish designation

[MAXsenna]

I'm afraid I don't know much when it comes to when the RNoAF received AIM-9L, though at least you can use the AGM-65D as the closest thing to an RB 12 (though with a fraction of the range and half the warhead). Not sure what other A/G ordnance the RNoAF had in its inventory.

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[twistking]

2 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

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Mk 83 bombs ???

[Northstar98]

22 minutes ago, twistking said:

Mk 83 bombs ???

Mk 84

[twistking]

Just now, Northstar98 said:

Mk 84

ok. thanks.

[irisono]

I'm actually only interested in Cold War flight simulation. The new Kola Map release opens up wonderful opportunities to replay this era. Unfortunately, the protagonists are missing, among others, the F-16A. I see the idea of replicating an F-16A with the existing F-16C as an improvisation, but an acceptable one. I am considering buying this DCS module, but would like to know first whether the functions mentioned such as JHMCS, night vision, data link etc. can be deactivated in a simple way, e.g. via the user interface not via init.files or lua. Is there a HUD declutter function on the F-16C?

[Gunfreak]

On 5/6/2024 at 11:45 AM, irisono said:

I'm actually only interested in Cold War flight simulation. The new Kola Map release opens up wonderful opportunities to replay this era. Unfortunately, the protagonists are missing, among others, the F-16A. I see the idea of replicating an F-16A with the existing F-16C as an improvisation, but an acceptable one. I am considering buying this DCS module, but would like to know first whether the functions mentioned such as JHMCS, night vision, data link etc. can be deactivated in a simple way, e.g. via the user interface not via init.files or lua. Is there a HUD declutter function on the F-16C?

Both night vision and JHMCS can be turned off in the mission editor and it does have HUD declutter. 

I did a 1981 what if. Russian MIG21s and 23 incursion into Northern Norway.

I gave the F16s AIM-9 P3. The closest i think to what norwegian F16s had in 81.

Just didn't use the HSD (had it blank or on SMS page. I set the radar to 20nm. Which might be too much of a nerf. As the radar itself was decent on the original A models.

[irisono]

Am 9.5.2024 um 15:51 schrieb Gunfreak:

Both night vision and JHMCS can be turned off in the mission editor and it does have HUD declutter. 

I did a 1981 what if. Russian MIG21s and 23 incursion into Northern Norway.

I gave the F16s AIM-9 P3. The closest i think to what norwegian F16s had in 81.

Just didn't use the HSD (had it blank or on SMS page. I set the radar to 20nm. Which might be too much of a nerf. As the radar itself was decent on the original A models.

That's good news. Your "what-if mission" is exactly the encounters that I would like to simulate as realistically as possible. Thank you very much for your help.

[Gunfreak]

51 minutes ago, irisono said:

That's good news. Your "what-if mission" is exactly the encounters that I would like to simulate as realistically as possible. Thank you very much for your help.

Here's the video