waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Rainmaker]

1 minute ago, Evg85 said:

And yet, that's a much higher number of reactions that your posts received, isn't it?

In any case, it would be foolish to deny that RAZBAM never had a high reputation among fans, even before the scandal between them and ED. All these MIG-19s, AV-8s and a map of the South Atlantic. Of course, there are other companies that do not pay enough attention to their modules, but at least they do not drag their customers into stupid intrigues.

Ref my post above….the one directly above yours. Lol. And again, I’m glad for you that the attention makes you happy, but we lead completely different lives with COMPLETELY different priorities in our lives. 

[Evg85]

1 минуту назад, Rainmaker сказал:

Ref my post above….the one directly above yours. Lol. And again, I’m glad for you that the attention makes you happy, but we lead completely different lives with COMPLETELY different priorities in our lives. 

 

That's for sure, we live in different realities. In your reality, RAZBAM is a serious company with a responsible approach to its work 

[Rainmaker]

3 minutes ago, Evg85 said:

That's for sure, we live in different realities. In your reality, RAZBAM is a serious company with a responsible approach to its work perhaps ‘you’ and ‘your game’ aren’t the priority 

Perhaps ‘you’ and ‘your game’ aren't the priority here when it involves people’s actual livelihood, supporting families, and putting food on the table, and not just your after-school hobbies.  One day, when you are all grown up….maybe you’ll understand that. 

[PD919]

The simple fact that Ron cried on social media instead of suing ED says that they did breach ED's contract and they know it.  We don't know for sure,  but that is the most likely outcome. 

[unknown]

32 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

 Okay.  Let me counter. Why is ED withholding money and they didn’t file suite for the IP infringement?  And if you think that is a week long process…or even six months…then you are grossly mistaken on how long, drawn out, and expensive court cases are. 

Again, these things arent the decision of ‘I believe’.  They are decided in court. Until then, making judgement and taking courses of action to penalize someone before that is illegal in itself. 

And who says this mechanism isn't part of their contract because of the above reasons you stated(time/money...)? You don't know and i don't know! But the fact that Razbam isn't suing ED in the first place but going social media with some vague statement....

I feel sorry for the devs that left Razbam because they didn't get payed but if the cause of the problem is that Ron pokered to high (military deal with some SA airforce?)and screwed up why should i blame ED? Blame Ron not thinking about his devs in the first place.

At this moment i/we can't blame anybody because we just don't know the facts! And repeating the "oh but ED didn't pay them...thats bad..." statement is as good/bad/constructive to the whole sh1tshow as my statement and everybody elses, we are just wildly speculating here! Everybody here has an opinion about the whole thing based on things we read from 3rd parties! Nobody knows for shure except ED and Razbam!

Edited May 10, 2024 by unknown

[Evg85]

7 минут назад, Rainmaker сказал:

One day, when you are all grown up….

One day this will definitely happen, but it will not improve the responsibility of RAZBAM.

 

9 минут назад, Rainmaker сказал:

Perhaps ‘you’ and ‘your game’ aren't the priority

What is their priority?

[Rainmaker]

6 minutes ago, unknown said:

And who says this mechanism isn't part of their contract because of the above reasons you stated(time/money...)? You don't know and i don't know! But the fact that Razbam isn't suing ED in the first place but going social media with some vague statement....

I feel sorry for the devs that left Razbam because they didn't get payed but if the cause of the problem is that Ron pokered to high (military deal with some SA airforce?)and screwed up why should i blame ED?

At this moment i/we can't blame anybody because we just don't know the facts! And repeating the "oh but ED didn't pay them...thats bad..." statement is as good/bad/constructive to the whole sh1tshow as my statement and everybody elses, we are just wildly speculating here! Everybody here has an opinion about the whole thing based on things we read from 3rd parties! Nobody knows for shure except ED and Razbam!

You are correct on numerous points. We don’t know. People are sure acting like they do though. But they did make a statement they were not getting paid. Which again, the other side has yet to refute. Those funds were a result of a product that’s sold in stores for development that was already completed. So, there is something significant to be said when work has already been invested and not compensated for. Its one thing to cease payment and say it, its another to withhold funds for something already provided. 
 

and by the way, its still in the store. 
 

Me personally, I wouldn’t he working either. 

Edited May 10, 2024 by Rainmaker

[Rainmaker]

I do enjoy so many throwing around this whole ‘why didn’t they sue’ thing like its as easy as walking into Walmart and buying a bag of chips though.   You all are incredibly naive. 

[Evg85]

2 минуты назад, Rainmaker сказал:

You all are incredibly naive. 

Oh yeah, you're the only smart guy on this forum. We're all not good enough compared to you 

[Futurecvsh]

Please do not argue, we must be a community united for the common good

[unknown]

29 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

I do enjoy so many throwing around this whole ‘why didn’t they sue’ thing like its as easy as walking into Walmart and buying a bag of chips though.   You all are incredibly naive. 

  

1 hour ago, Rainmaker said:

Again, these things arent the decision of ‘I believe’.  They are decided in court. Until then, making judgement and taking courses of action to penalize someone before that is illegal in itself. 

So what is it now? Sue them to be right or not? You are the one telling us that everything except a court order is illigal and now everybody saying "just sue them" is incredible naive? Why? Nobody thinks that case would be solved in a couple months.

 

Edit: To lighten up the mood:

  

On 5/8/2024 at 8:52 AM, BabisGR said:

 

Let the wait finally end !

 

 

Edited May 10, 2024 by unknown

[Wizard_03]

36 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Perhaps ‘you’ and ‘your game’ aren't the priority here when it involves people’s actual livelihood, supporting families, and putting food on the table, and not just your after-school hobbies.  One day, when you are all grown up….maybe you’ll understand that. 

Insinuating people aren't owed for what they paid for is just as unreasonable as ED not paying razbam. If they can't deliver what we paid for then we are all owed a refund and they should close their doors. That's not entitlement, that's called accountability. This isn't a charity for Ron, this is business. 

[Rainmaker]

20 minutes ago, unknown said:

  

So what is it now? Sue them to be right or not? You are the one telling us that everything except a court order is illigal and now everybody saying "just sue them" is incredible naive? Why? Nobody thinks that case would be solved in a couple months.

 

Edit: To lighten up the mood:

  

 

 

Well, Is RB accusing ED of IP infringement?  No. But they are apparently withholding money on the basis of being guilty of it are they not?  So who should be trying to sue who here instead of just acting as though they are guilty without a judge’s ruling.  This just takes a minor smidge of rational thought?

Edited May 10, 2024 by Rainmaker

[Njinsa]

 

@Wizard_03

That would be accurate if purchases were made from Razbam's shop or a venue where consumer protection is assured.

As end users, we enter into an agreement with ED, which is responsible for the delivery of services/products, and in our view, RB is accountable.

 

This applies to any third-party module here.

Edited May 10, 2024 by Njinsa

[Rainmaker]

9 minutes ago, Wizard_03 said:

Insinuating people aren't owed for what they paid for is just as unreasonable as ED not paying razbam. If they can't deliver what we paid for then we are all owed a refund and they should close their doors. That's not entitlement, that's called accountability. This isn't a charity for Ron, this is business. 

Well shouldn’t you be asking ED then?  Who has your money right now?  

[Wizard_03]

4 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Well shouldn’t you be asking ED then?  Who has your money right now?  

I am. This is the official ED forums. If razbam can't finish what they agreed to finish then I expect ED to take of me and everyone else who paid them. The EULA doesn't cover this situation in any way. 

Edited May 10, 2024 by Wizard_03

[Rainmaker]

12 minutes ago, Wizard_03 said:

I am. This is the official ED forums. If razbam can't finish what they agreed to finish then I expect ED to take of me and everyone else who paid them. The EULA doesn't cover this situation in any way. 

 

Well, pretty sure RB’s agreement of that extends to the premise of them getting paid, not just ED and they support for free. 
 

And let us know how that works out for you. Doesn’t seem like ED is entertaining the idea to this point. 

[Wizard_03]

19 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Well, pretty sure RB’s agreement of that extends to the premise of them getting paid, not just ED and they support for free. 
 

And let us know how that works out for you. Doesn’t seem like ED is entertaining the idea to this point. 

I don't care about their business with ED. You might be okay with people taking your money and bailing and that's fine. But stop telling others they have to be too. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Edited May 10, 2024 by Wizard_03

[Rainmaker]

1 minute ago, Wizard_03 said:

I don't care about their business with ED. You might be okay with people taking your money and bailing and that's fine. But stop telling others they have to be too. 

Well, ignore responding to the import points because ‘me’ is the only victim here. Gotcha. 

[Wizard_03]

6 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Well, ignore responding to the import points because ‘me’ is the only victim here. Gotcha. 

Where in there In EULA, store page, or forum rules does it say I agreed to join Ron's picket line? His problem with ED is just that, its his. I think I have every right to worry about myself. And razbam has every right to worry about themselves. I can't control them or anyone the only person I can speak for is myself. Idk what else to say. Sounds like you do in fact live in a different world then everyone else. 

Edited May 10, 2024 by Wizard_03

[Rainmaker]

Well, at this point, I don’t think you’re gonna get either resolution that you hope for. 

[Snappy]

28 minutes ago, Wizard_03 said:

Where in there In EULA, store page, or forum rules does it say I agreed to join Ron's picket line? 

 

Well you indirectly agreed, because you accepted an EULA with a vaguely defined , loose definition of EA, plus the part where EULA states that ED store purchases are non-refundable.

Consciously or not , when you decided to put down your money anyway, that’s where you basically joined the picket line.

I‘m sure you had different expectations based on previous experiences, but unfortunately the same EULA applies when things go south..

That are drawbacks of EA and EDs business model.

If you‘re lucky you are on steam and maybe have more options.

Edited May 10, 2024 by Snappy

[Wizard_03]

1 minute ago, Snappy said:

Well you indirectly agreed, because you accepted an EULA with a vaguely defined , loose definition of EA, plus the part where EULA states that ED store purchases are non-refundable.

Consciously or not , when you decided to put down your money anyway, that’s where you basically joined the picket line.

I‘m sure you had different expectations, but unfortunately the same EULA applies when thing go south..

If you‘re lucky you are on steam and maybe have more options.

 

So your saying I bought something from them but I really didn't, because everything is subject to change?

 

Yeah I don't really see that argument holding up too any sort of arbitration or legal action. I don't think you can escape liability buy just saying you do.

[Rainmaker]

You guys should all just sue. So many make it sound so easy.  Gotta be right?

That $50 you paid per module is about to be a drop in the bucket. Start breaking those piggy banks. 

[Snappy]

13 minutes ago, Wizard_03 said:

So your saying I bought something from them but I really didn't, because everything is subject to change?

 

Yeah I don't really see that argument holding up too any sort of arbitration or legal action. I don't think you can escape liability buy just saying you do.

I‘m saying by buying from ED store and accepting their EULA you put yourself in a very bad position for a legal argument, not least from a practical point of view as well.

Be my guest to try, I will happily congratulate you if you manage to win.

Unfortunately you will likely also have to front much more money than the module price for the legal bills.( the above mentioned practical pov)

Edited May 10, 2024 by Snappy