Safari Ken Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 lol Yeah those blind spots took me by surprise. Good thing for TrackIR, because I find myself leaning all over the place during a dogfight to try and keep track of everyone. :) I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10 I suppose. It's pretty rough around the edges, but mostly that's not a big deal. I haven't tried the MP, but 10 minute rounds sound pretty strange for a game like this. Predictable/borderline-cheating AI dogfighting tactics, well, what else did we expect? They seem better than IL-2's AI tactics so far. If someone can write a truly realistic dogfight AI, please let us know, because no one has been able to yet, and you'd probably make some good cash with that. :music_whistling: Most of the 7.5 score I've given is in the sheer fun of flying in the sim. The graphics are so shiny, and the flight model even shinier (I think I can see my face!) that it mostly makes up for the shortcomings, in my opinion. The biggest disappointment for me so far is the initial lack of a track recorder. They say it's coming later, but I love taking flight sim videos and screenshots, and a track recorder is an indispensible tool for those pursuits...
Dave317 Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Is this a MP only game? I don't understand why you have to be connected to the internet all the time. Is there a campaign and SP missions?
Safari Ken Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Yes, there are single-player campaigns for each plane, as well as single missions, as well as a mission editor. The internet connection is their method of copy protection, more than anything.
theGozr Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Here a great bundle: http://www.gogamer.com/TrackIR-5-with-Rise-of-Flight-Game-Bundle-Front-Page_stcVVproductId76591237VVcatId444710VVviewprod.htm Track-IR 5 with RoF for $159.90 Fly it like you stole it..
Herbs107 Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Have just ordered a copy on ebay. My old CFS2 WW1 add-on was getting a little old. This game, if it gets the right support from the developer, will be brillant.
Safari Ken Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Rise of Flight patch was released today. I haven't tried it yet (I'm at work), but it's a nice array of fixes that are listed.
crazyeddie Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Still to be convinced this is worth the money, just check out the bugs forum, love the era but steam leaves me cold. Would rather buy a few (more) Whiskeys !!!!
Safari Ken Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Still to be convinced this is worth the money, just check out the bugs forum, love the era but steam leaves me cold. Would rather buy a few (more) Whiskeys !!!! It seems to me that the bug forum over there is filled with threads about the same few bugs (and other things that people mistakenly think are bugs). And look! There's already a patch for the worst bugs, which to be honest weren't that bad to begin with...
crazyeddie Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Sorry Ken, your quite right about that, bugs I can deal with but it's the on line issue that keeps me away. I wonder how many customers they have lost because of that, I assume the market research said not enough to be bothered about so that's the route they took, might still be their undoing. That said it looks great fun, can I be tempted away from the bar thought ... not yet, not yet !!!!
EtherealN Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 They just did a split S and I'm following in level flight he STILL pulls away from me. His energy would have been lost in the inverted loop (from level flight, not from dive). anyway that's really annoying. After he gets some distance from you he'll turn in for a HO...rinse repeat HO...etc. I think what you mean is an Immelman, not a split S. That aside, things I've read with the protection system and it's online-demands, and that review, I guess means I'll properly join the Wait And See crowd. Ah well... I've waited years for a good WW1 sim and I can wait a while longer for NeoQB to finish that thing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Pilotasso Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) WWI Sims always get me frustrated...that upper wing screws up my shots everytime. When the target passes behind it, when it emerges again its always off my sights. grrrr You keep correcting only to happen again and again. You can clearly see that it also happens with this one. Not only that, those kites are so slow that you have to manuever more by rudder than pitch and roll. Edited July 9, 2009 by Pilotasso .
topol-m Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 WWI Sims always get me frustrated...that upper wing screws up my shots everytime. When the target passes behind it, when it emerges again its always off my sights. grrrr You keep correcting only to happen again and again. You can clearly see that it also happens with this one. Not only that, those kites are so slow that you have to manuever more by rudder than pitch and roll. Hate them too. Its like driving sim with cars from 1905 - horrible. :doh: Imagine the speed and the grip... Gotta have the WW2 mod for this game ASAP [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
EtherealN Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Well, there were a good bunch of monoplanes in service during WW1, if the biplane design itself is the problem - hope for them. Easier as a mod too, if a mod is what it takes to get a monoplane. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
topol-m Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Not just monoplans but faster and more powerfull ones. Thats why we need WW2. The BF-109 for example... :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
theGozr Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 It teach you how to dogfight unlike Lockon.... wrong FM for light jets.. where the rudder are forgotten. Just get some close combat and you will have fun.. yeap no missile to down your opponent at 50 km away.. on this sim you have to have balls ;) Fly it like you stole it..
Safari Ken Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 That top wing really does cut down on visibility. I thank the Great Atheismo every day for my TrackIR. My roommate thinks I'm having a seizure when I'm playing RoF, spastically leaning all over the place to cover my blind spots. :) But it's fine as long as we're all in the same boat. Someone said that it's like a car racing game from 1905... what's wrong with that? A race is a race, as long as all the cars are fairly evenly matched. In RoF it's not like we're trying to down P-51's in those old kites... The patch really did some good things for the controls, by the way. Take-off was a real challenge before, but now it's much better. It may have it's problems, but this is a great, great sim.
element1108 Posted July 10, 2009 Posted July 10, 2009 Not just monoplans but faster and more powerfull ones. Thats why we need WW2. The BF-109 for example... :joystick: Best dogfighting days in my opinion. I was hoping Rise of Flight would give me that but I've been somewhat disappointed by it. Not the game itself per SAY, I'm just not a huge fan of the Great War or it's technology. Rudder's in WWII planes are more useful for deflection and not so much of a handicap throwing you all all over the place ... I find strafing in rise of flight VERRRRRRRRRRY difficult. A testament to the flight model, but boring for gameplay. When you don't have a true field of view that top wing really REALLY gets in the way.
Safari Ken Posted July 10, 2009 Posted July 10, 2009 Today the RoF developers gave us two new planes as a gift! We all now have access to the Albatros D5 and the Nieuport 28. Both are just as good as the two original planes, and your concerns about field of view may not so much of a problem, especially in the Albatros. Also, more planes will be available to purchase, apparently beginning next week. Finally the price has been announced: $7.62 for each new plane. For more detail, check out today's excellent post in the News section: http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2009/07/10/Rise-of-Flight-Vision-Statement.aspx#continue There has been a lot of talk on their forum about having to buy new planes. I was a little worried at first, but $7.62 is certainly very reasonable, and I like their explanation for the unusual business model. I think that sim is going to blossom into something quite special!
Safari Ken Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 Very soon, from what I understand. That's their current focus, now that the first patch has been finished.
mikesla Posted March 27, 2010 Posted March 27, 2010 No one has thought of this at all. Hello. I have been reading allot about DRM, Rise of flight, and NO ONE has ever brought this point I am about to make. In this day and age, where companies go out of buisness daily, don't you think that this could be true for the company which has produced Rise of flight? You buy a product from a company that may not be in buisness tomorrow, and if the stock market crumbles (which it can at any moment, and I know, I lost money in this last crash), you may have just lost money for product that is no better than a coaster. I mean, if these clowns go out of buisness, your game is totally useless. NEVER BUY a product that requires you to go online (with the exception for multiplayer ONLY) to 1:) Register online to install the product, and 2:) to play single player. NEVER BUY THIS TYPE of PRODUCT!! What is wrong with everybody? Hell, this company could go broke, and I really mean they could go broke because of this crap DRM protocol they have implimented. We all know how quick the gaming industry moves, one day they support their product, next you can't even get on their website anymore. I have games here that I just bought off the shelve, and their websites are no longer supporting the product...for me to get updates, I have to get them from 3rd party sites. They don't care about you, and for any company to treat it's customers in such a callus manner like this should not even be in buisness, no matter how great their product is at the moment. BEWARE of these type of products, unless you have more money than you can count, and don't care about the cost then go ahead spend the money. Anyway, I haven't bought any DRM Product, and I won't simply because why should I support a company that doesn't support me? From what I have seen, their servers are up, then down, and up again....this company should be AVOIDED at all costs, they have shown that they cannot be trusted.. Also, you may have paid for the game, but you do not own it as long as you have to be connected to install, then play offline (you have to first be online to start the offline) you will never own it... ever. Even if they give you a patch for the game that disables the online feature to play offline, you have to remember something, you still have to be online to simply install the game. This company, and any other company out there that uses the DRM protocol will own you, and not the other way around. They have you guys jumping through all their hoops like trained puppets that you appear to have become. Good luck to you folks out there This is the end of my rant about this....
Flyby Posted March 27, 2010 Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) Mikelsa, you are swimming upstream on this issue. Let the market forces work for you. If your dire warnings are correct then no one will ever buy a game or sim with such a security arrangement. On the other hand, one may hope a best worst-case scenario would be for a failing company to release a final patch that removes such a drm. I, then, suppose it's good to be optimistic. In the case of DCS, for example, I believe this company has a sim'er's soul, and would do the right thing to preserve its most favorable reputation in the gaming afterlife. The Emperor may have no clothes, but at least his balls are nice and cool. ;) Flyby out (yoiks!! 900 posts!) Edited March 27, 2010 by Flyby like I said; 900 posts!! The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
furian Posted March 27, 2010 Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) Mikelsa, you are swimming upstream on this issue. Let the market forces work for you. If your dire warnings are correct then no one will ever buy a game or sim with such a security arrangement. Right. Id like to purchase DCS series/Rise of flight, but i will definetly not! Some facts: - You cant buy the software, you only get rights of use and ... - The duration of your rights depends on each customer! DCS: You dont know wether your keys last for 2 weeks or 10 years! RoF: You are bound to the internet connection. Yes everybody has internet, yes it is fast, BUT it is a waste to use it for artificial requirements without real purpose for the customer and .... - There IS an additional effort for the customer to manage this kind of "security arangement": RoF/DCS: Internet does definetly not work all the time and EVERYWHERE. DCS: BEGGING for new keys!! Conclusion: Puplishers disposses its customers. Customers get completly dependend on publishers. This is an development you have to fight against actively! BTW: Yes i know about EG distributes new keys if you can present a proof of purchase. BUT is there any official and BINDING statement which CONTRACTS EG to do so? No? Then you pay 39 bucks to RENT DCS:Black! It seems (didnt try but used google) that you can get a pirate copy of black shark (RoF: dont know ^^) with a little effort. So what is the purpose of this copy protection? Does ED want its HONEST customers to pay several times for the keys?! Furian out! Edited March 27, 2010 by furian
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