Black Shark vs IL-2 Maps

[Ramstein]

I have both Blach Shark and IL-2 1946. I have lots of the new maps from AAA website from modders.

This is what I and others are noticing. Taking the same area of the world and making maps of it have provided different reults for the same region and terrain.

Example Anapa:

IN IL-2 the map with Anapa is completely different than the Anapa area map in the Helo Flight Sim Black Shark. In Black Shark there are gentle rolling hills and very much farmland. In IL-2 it is very rough terrain with rolling hills, high mountain ranges and farmland..

These differences are huge!

just an FYI and observation

 

:doh:

Edited April 27, 2009 by Ramstein

[Deigs]

Continental tectonic plates moving?

[Grimes]

That terrain has changed greatly from the 1940s till today. :D

 

Seriously, I guess it just depends on where either developer got their terrain data from. Maybe Eagles is more accurate, maybe the IL2 version is, maybe its somewhere in between. Although I'd be more inclined to suggest that Black Sharks is probably more accurate.

[JGr124_MUTbKA]

Please, forget about accuracy of maps in IL-2.

 

First, Il-2 game engine is not able to work with "real" mountains due to polygon number restriction. Just take the only IL-2 map (for dogfight) with really high and sharp rocks, but rather small in size - it really SLOW. So in Il-2 we have only low hills instead of big rocks.

 

Second, IL-2 is based on contemporary maps - for example, there was no large artifical lake near Krasnodar in 40-x.

 

So, Lockon map is more accurate.

Edited April 28, 2009 by JGr124_MUTbKA

[Safari Ken]

That's good information. I've always been under the notion that IL-2 maps were not meant to be super-accurate anyway, but rather to give the general vibe of the areas.

[Geier]

Please, forget about accuracy of maps in IL-2.

 

First, Il-2 game engine is not able to work with "real" mountains due to polygon number restriction. Just take the only IL-2 map (for dogfight) with really high and sharp rocks, but rather small in size - it really SLOW. So in Il-2 we have only low hills instead of big rocks.

 

Second, IL-2 is based on contemporary maps - for example, there was no large artifical lake near Krasnodar in 40-x.

 

So, Lockon map is more accurate.

 

Absolutely! I can add that in Il2 there's another 'reservoir' at Moscow map near Mojaisk. Of course it's appeared after war)

Il2 maps was the fantastic present for all sim-addicts :P in 2001 we appreciated them but now they're look like out of date ones. The 46 addon with Slovakei map just add the colours but it's not that we need and see in BS:)

[Ramstein]

I am stil confused about the mountains that exist on the IL-2 map near Anapa (these are really big and lots of them...) and in Black Shark just gentle rolling hills, and the coast line is way different too..

 

Since I have never bee there, I just found it odd how the same terrain are represented way differently by 2 different mapping programs.. engines,, whatever...

 

There are probably many other locations between the two flight sims that the differences must also be extremely different than in real life..

 

 

Yes, Black Shark is much more realistic, like they say photographic terrain..

but how can one map maker be so far off??

 

I really enjoy both..

 

hmmmmm :doh:

 

we need a new WWII Combat Sim, if Ed made one.. that would be cool.. but I suppose unless it's modern jets, that would be out of the question..

Yes, I know Oleg and 1C are making a new one.. supposedly, i.e., Storm of War:Battle of Britain. I am still worried about them screwing the Allied planes..

 

sorry about al the IL-2 talk and comparisons.. maybe I should just stop now.

 

:doh:

[joey45]

google map is good... look for yourself.

[Geier]

I am stil confused about the mountains that exist on the IL-2 map near Anapa (these are really big and lots of them...) and in Black Shark just gentle rolling hills, and the coast line is way different too..

 

Since I have never bee there, I just found it odd how the same terrain are represented way differently by 2 different mapping programs.. engines,, whatever...

 

There are probably many other locations between the two flight sims that the differences must also be extremely different than in real life..

 

 

Yes, Black Shark is much more realistic, like they say photographic terrain..

but how can one map maker be so far off??

 

I really enjoy both..

 

hmmmmm :doh:

 

we need a new WWII Combat Sim, if Ed made one.. that would be cool.. but I suppose unless it's modern jets, that would be out of the question..

Yes, I know Oleg and 1C are making a new one.. supposedly, i.e., Storm of War:Battle of Britain. I am still worried about them screwing the Allied planes..

 

sorry about al the IL-2 talk and comparisons.. maybe I should just stop now.

 

:doh:

Actually, the answer is clear. Remember when the Il2 was produced - inearly 2001 - for those years that was enough and seemed to be perfect. The standards were changed and now the level of 'detailness' is far from il2 ones

[Airway]

---------------- Listening to: Nicole Da Silva - First Kiss - Winamp

Please, forget about accuracy of maps in IL-2.

 

First, Il-2 game engine is not able to work with "real" mountains due to polygon number restriction. Just take the only IL-2 map (for dogfight) with really high and sharp rocks, but rather small in size - it really SLOW. So in Il-2 we have only low hills instead of big rocks.

 

Second, IL-2 is based on contemporary maps - for example, there was no large artifical lake near Krasnodar in 40-x.

 

So, Lockon map is more accurate.

 

:lol:

 

Look here about Il-2 Maps 1:1 on Google Earth or Google maps:

 

Il2 Sturmovik Maps » Overview in Google Maps

or

Download of the Google Earth KML file

 

;)

[Ramstein]

I tried to state this:

 

both sims have mountains, on different maps... my statement was that in Il-2 the Anapa Map has large mountain range, and on the same Anapa area map Black Shark only shows rolling hills...

 

why is it that BS has rolling hills when IL-2 has a large mountain range...

 

again IL-2 has large mountains on maps they decided to put them on...

 

of course they look completely different... but still..

 

In real life does the Anapa region have a large mountain range or doesn't it?

 

:unsure:

[borchi_2b]

ok, BS, or the DCS engine and the land.lsa are not correct.

just compare FSX global with the DCS terrain of the georgian area.

FSX global uses approximatly a 10m scale of satelite pictures, which are way more expansive to be purchased then the 50 - 90 m scale the DCS uses right now.

so i figured for myself that the DCS BS module is way off the reality of anapa or the regions all the fighting takes place