Force feedback Joystick from Moza

[MAXsenna]

Well there's hope then! 

Always! I guess the software needs to evolve into something like SSH and other software were you can fine tune each individual telemetry effect available.

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[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

6 hours ago, Kh4 said:

So would that imply that the problem lies with the telemetry, or lack of, coming from DCS as opposed to the the Moza software? Are other devices like the  VPForce Rhino similarly affected?

My point is, it really down to the settings made on the base software. I only come across Moza and VPRhino software. and my very limited knowledge in IRL aircraft, the user holds the key of to how much the feedback one gets out of the base. My usual examples are, if they are not too old already:

1. F-16 preset on Moza is basically simulating MFSSB, but on VPForce, last time I checked, is no different from other jet;
2. Presets on both bases for F/A-18C do not have any strong breakout force implemented for now, the user can add it oneself.

Hope it clears things a bit.

Edited April 6 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[ebabil]

hi Guys

Just grabbed the AB9 but overwhelmed with the settings in the app. I need very very light -two finger- helicopter cyclic settings just to use as a simulation of hydraulic force trim. I used to do that by reducing in game force trim power but now it doesn't work. Can you give a quick tip?

[Mr_sukebe]

Use the preset for the Hind for all of your helicopters.

[Kh4]

18 hours ago, ebabil said:

hi Guys

Just grabbed the AB9 but overwhelmed with the settings in the app. I need very very light -two finger- helicopter cyclic settings just to use as a simulation of hydraulic force trim. I used to do that by reducing in game force trim power but now it doesn't work. Can you give a quick tip?

This depends very much on the sim you are using and the particular helicopter. The Hind preset can be a good starting point but will need a lot of adjusting for say, the R22 in X-plane or MSFS, as it doesn't have any effective force trim. As an example, for the H145 in MSFS I have the spring set at zero and adjust the other settings, like friction etc, to get that 'hydraulic' feel. In DCS with the Apache I use 30% spring which is applied when force trim is active but gives a nice hydraulic feel when in trim-release. If you jump on the Moza channel on Discord you find some good presets for some helicopters. Bear in mind that every time you do a Moza software or firmware update you will likely need to adjust your settings. I've attached a couple you can try. Make sure to adjust the settings on the 'Special' tab to your own requirements. They may or may not work for you depending on your software/firmware versions. I'm on 1.0.5.41 Cockpit and 1.1.1.41 firmware (these are likely beta versions, they change frequently atm)

ps: actually that Apache preset is based heavily on a preset worked up by a guy on Discord who has some 3,000 hours on the real machine

DCS AH-64D 01052025.preset MSFS H145 01052025.preset

Edited May 2 by Kh4

[Wostg]

Did people figure out if it can be configured to run sideways? I need that extra half inch (...) / cables out the way

E. It can't be as simple as switching the axes in dcs surely? 

Edited May 2 by Wostg

[Kh4]

2 hours ago, Wostg said:

Did people figure out if it can be configured to run sideways? I need that extra half inch (...) / cables out the way

E. It can't be as simple as switching the axes in dcs surely? 

My head hurts thinking about this lol. You may be able to switch axis, but you would have to make a custom mount for your grip wouldn't you?

[Wostg]

Right now its sitting in front of my seat with a gooseneck extension, will  lock it down when everythings ok.

First try with the Apache seemed fine, using the Hind preset and felt like the trim etc worked alright.

Second try with the Ka50 not so much, the Moza/Integrated feedback is on the wrong axis so if I trim forward it trims left.

[MAXsenna]

5 hours ago, Wostg said:

I need that extra half inch (...) / cables out the way

Dremel something?  

1 hour ago, Wostg said:

Second try with the Ka50 not so much, the Moza/Integrated feedback is on the wrong axis so if I trim forward it trims left.

Yes, the telemetry axis will probably get bonkers, while the trimming should be fixable by using DCS for trimming. Then in the Controls Settings, click the Moza column, select tune FFB button on the bottom. Then play around with invert X/Y, swap axis.

On my trusty old MS FFB2, I always have to swap my axis in every module as the default. 

Cheers! 

[Wostg]

Yeah DCS' direct feedback was fine (well after I reversed the roll axis) but the Moza telemetry was stubbornly conflicting with DCS so if I trimmed 45° forward, the stick would automatically throw itself 45° right of centre. Its not worth losing the vibrations for so time to look at that dremel...

[ebabil]

On 5/2/2025 at 3:05 AM, Kh4 said:

This depends very much on the sim you are using and the particular helicopter. The Hind preset can be a good starting point but will need a lot of adjusting for say, the R22 in X-plane or MSFS, as it doesn't have any effective force trim. As an example, for the H145 in MSFS I have the spring set at zero and adjust the other settings, like friction etc, to get that 'hydraulic' feel. In DCS with the Apache I use 30% spring which is applied when force trim is active but gives a nice hydraulic feel when in trim-release. If you jump on the Moza channel on Discord you find some good presets for some helicopters. Bear in mind that every time you do a Moza software or firmware update you will likely need to adjust your settings. I've attached a couple you can try. Make sure to adjust the settings on the 'Special' tab to your own requirements. They may or may not work for you depending on your software/firmware versions. I'm on 1.0.5.41 Cockpit and 1.1.1.41 firmware (these are likely beta versions, they change frequently atm)

ps: actually that Apache preset is based heavily on a preset worked up by a guy on Discord who has some 3,000 hours on the real machine

DCS AH-64D 01052025.preset 10.79 kB · 5 downloads MSFS H145 01052025.preset 10.82 kB · 1 download

thanks man. it worked a lot.

Btw I couldn't get the trim worked on KA-50 and UH-1. When i hit the button, nothing happens. Any solutions?

Edited May 3 by ebabil

[Kh4]

22 hours ago, ebabil said:

thanks man. it worked a lot.

Btw I couldn't get the trim worked on KA-50 and UH-1. When i hit the button, nothing happens. Any solutions?

I have a strange thing where the trim release in the Apache doesn't work correctly unless I map the aircraft trim release to the same input as I have assigned in the Moza app.

Haven't flown the Huey for a while but last time I did it was working fine, ditto the KA-50. I'll check them out next time I'm in DCS. 

Edit: just checked the Huey and KA-50 and seem to working fine with the Apache preset I shared.

Edited May 4 by Kh4

[oqvist]

Where do you save the profiles so you can choose them? Will your ah work on the retail firmware and moza cockpit? Do you use extensions?

Set mine up over the weekend. Tried the f4e, f14 and f16 as well as the p51 with the included profiles pretty cool. 

Also tried the hind preset on the huey general idea is that its supposed to be superstiff.

 What is the best way to adjust the general force on the surface areas?

 

Also awaiting an alpha prime grip. Hope it works as well as my current t50 grip

Edited May 4 by oqvist

[rapid]

Top Man

[Kh4]

2 hours ago, oqvist said:

Where do you save the profiles so you can choose them?

  Save them anywhere and then import them on the presets listings page

2 hours ago, oqvist said:

Also tried the hind preset on the huey general idea is that its supposed to be superstiff.

Should be stiff when force trim is applied but finger tip light when trim is released

[Tea-Pig]

13 hours ago, oqvist said:

Also awaiting an alpha prime grip. Hope it works as well as my current t50 grip

I've got an Alpha grip on mine and everything works properly so you should be fine.

[oqvist]

18 hours ago, Kh4 said:

  Save them anywhere and then import them on the presets listings page

Should be stiff when force trim is applied but finger tip light when trim is released

Is force trim a hotkey you can enable. I am going out of my depth here only done the fs choppers lol

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

1 hour ago, oqvist said:

Is force trim a hotkey you can enable. I am going out of my depth here only done the fs choppers lol

Under the "Special" tab:

[PawlaczGMD]

FYI, the FSSB mode for me is mostly a gimmick. As implemented in a FFB base, it lacks precision and torque to be used seriously in the Viper. Especially since I use an extension. 

[Kh4]

5 hours ago, oqvist said:

Is force trim a hotkey you can enable. I am going out of my depth here only done the fs choppers lol

You can use the hardware trim on the Special tab but you may also want to experiment with just the software trim in DCS (or both together). You will get different results depending on the aircraft. The advantage of software trim of course is that you are not restricted to inputs on the AB9 but can assign it to any input on any control device.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

May be, but it is good enough to me. I don't own a real F-16 to prove it, at the same time, I don't have to shell that amount of money for commercial FFSB base, or risk any wrist damage using one on regular basis.

Quoting IFE, we are flying simulations after all.

Edited May 6 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[ebabil]

do you have "telemetry service disconnected" error all the time? I can't get any in game feedback like engine, stall etc

[Nightdare]

21 hours ago, PawlaczGMD said:

FYI, the FSSB mode for me is mostly a gimmick. As implemented in a FFB base, it lacks precision and torque to be used seriously in the Viper. Especially since I use an extension. 

 

The f-16 has a very short stick in the first place so of course adding an extension wreaks havoc on any FBW attempt

 

[PawlaczGMD]

1 hour ago, Nightdare said:

 

The f-16 has a very short stick in the first place so of course adding an extension wreaks havoc on any FBW attempt

 

Yes, it certainly worked better without an extension, but the extension is so much better for every other aircraft. I still think it could work with a stronger torque and better software, but oh well. 

[tekwoj]

3 hours ago, PawlaczGMD said:

Yes, it certainly worked better without an extension, but the extension is so much better for every other aircraft. I still think it could work with a stronger torque and better software, but oh well. 

Have you tried reducing axis travel limits in the Axis Travel window?

On 4/4/2025 at 5:33 AM, Kh4 said:

In DCS I get quite good FFB most of the time, with occasional drop outs, with the Apache, Hind and the Gazelle.

The Kiowa is very hit and miss but most of the time there no telemetry feedback, ie; translation lift, engine and rotor vibration, etc.

The Chinook gives pretty much nothing except a small bump when the wheels touch down (maybe as it's a work in progress the telemetry output isn't finalized). 

Curious to know what others have found with the helicopters in DCS?

Kiowa and Chinook are not "officially" supported by the software. Here are modified export scripts to make them work (they'll pretend to be Ah-64 and Ka-50 respectively, so you will need to switch profiles manually when using them).

To install replace the 2 files in the %userprofile%\Saved Games\DCS\Scripts\MOZA directory

MainRotorRPM.lua MOZA.lua