cannot reproduce Loss of Steering via Keyboard Commands

[GeoS72]

After this new update, I cannot steer any vehicles using the A & D keys. I can use axes to turn left & right but not the keyboard. Additionally, the key binds are default W for gas, S for brake, A for left, and D for right. There are no conflicts with these key binds.

Track file & DCS log soon to follow.

[GeoS72]

Here are the DCS log & track files. The track was from a Combined Arms training mission. Anytime you see the Vulcan being steered left or right it was from the use of rudder pedals.

dcs.log tempMission.miz.trk

[Flappie]

I cannot reproduce your issue. Do you have any conflict in your CA controls?

[draconus]

On 7/13/2024 at 6:30 PM, GeoS72 said:

DCS log

Remove the mods and try again.

[GeoS72]

On 7/21/2024 at 1:44 PM, Flappie said:

I cannot reproduce your issue. Do you have any conflict in your CA controls?

@Flappie,

You were able to control a vehicle from key command and a joystick axis?

The only conflict in my CA controls is the axis bind and key bind for Vehicle Left/Right commands. I removed the axis bind and the vehicle steers with the standard A & D key bind. When I bind an axis, rudder Z axis in this instance, the vehicle will ONLY steer left/right using the rudder axis. NO A & D key would move it.

The accelerate/decelerate commands work with the toe brake axis. I can accelerate/brake using either W & S keys or release toe brake on my rudder pedals.

A simple workaround would be to remove the Left/Right axis bind. But that does not fix the problem.

Edited July 22, 2024 by GeoS72
Added workaround clause.

[draconus]

22 hours ago, GeoS72 said:

You were able to control a vehicle from key command and a joystick axis?

Yes, I test rode T-72B3 on PG map and could use either joy axis or A/D keys for turning. If you use it at the same time axis will fight with keys, that's normal and should be avoided.

[GeoS72]

16 hours ago, draconus said:

Yes, I test rode T-72B3 on PG map and could use either joy axis or A/D keys for turning. If you use it at the same time axis will fight with keys, that's normal and should be avoided.

Draconus, thanks for the feedback. Which axis did you have bound for steering? I wonder if there is a specific issue with binding rudder pedals for steering. I will have to test it further.

All I know and experienced is this: Before this patch, I could use either joy axis (rudder) or key binds A & D to steer a Combined Arms vehicle left or right. Currently, the key bind for accelerate and brake (W & S) work in conjunction with the axis bind for right toe brake.

If the key binds were fighting with the axis bind then some unusual movement should be observed. However, there is no unusual movement. The vehicle tracks straight; if A or D is pressed, then no movement occurs. The only time the vehicle turns left or right is when the rudder axis provides the input.

[GeoS72]

Well, I'd like to use an electronics term to best describe the resolution to this problem: PFM...Pure eFfing Magic! It looks like the problem resolved itself. Don't know how or why.

I mapped the following HOTAS for Left/Right movement and tested in the Caucuses map:

WinWing Throttle Ry Axis: Pass
WinWing F-16 X Axis: Pass
Virpil Rudder Z Axis: Pass*

* - this was the original axis that failed; even after several axis tunes.

Suddenly, it now works. Maybe mapping to the other axes helped? With each of these axes bound, I was able to use the keyboard commands (A & D) to steer left/right.

[draconus]

14 hours ago, GeoS72 said:

Which axis did you have bound for steering?

Turn left/right for Joy_X and Accel/Brake for Joy_Y - autobound from profile for my T16000M.