GTX 1080Ti or RTX 2080Ti. Which to choose?

[Holbeach]

If you had a 15 YO PC with a GTX 1070, which one, (2Hand), would you upgrade too?

Does DCS use Ray Tracing?

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Edited July 28, 2024 by Holbeach

[Holbeach]

2 minutes ago, BunyipBilly said:

Both old now!

So which one?

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[kksnowbear]

As a preface, I am assuming you mean a 1080Ti and 2080 Ti.

The 2080Ti is a more powerful card, but which one is 'better' would obviously depend on cost.  If the 1080Ti is a lot less, they are great cards.  If they are anywhere close to the same cost, then a 2080Ti is a better value.

All that being said, it should be mentioned that *either* of those cards will be grossly mismatched to the CPU your signature lists.  If your sig is current, I'd say it's way past time to update the balance of the system.  It's really not a good idea to create an imbalance in a system by using a CPU or GPU that is a lot more powerful than the other - they need to be at least reasonably 'matched' otherwise it will cause serious "bottleneck" (and I dislike that term, but there it is).

Edited July 28, 2024 by kksnowbear

[kksnowbear]

5 minutes ago, BunyipBilly said:

Both old now!

That has nothing to do with performance.  The 1080Ti is still an awesome GPU, especially at 1080p which is what most gamers by far use.

And factually, a 2080Ti performs on level with a 3070, plus has more memory and a wider bus.

These are two workhorses that are still plenty viable, even with newer games.

[Holbeach]

Given that DCS runs very well in its current form, with GPU being the bottleneck.

Which one?

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[kksnowbear]

9 minutes ago, Holbeach said:

Given that DCS runs very well in its current form, with GPU being the bottleneck.

Which one?

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Again, it depends on cost.  A free 1080Ti is much better than a 2080Ti that costs $200 (this is only an example).

If cost is not a concern, then the 2080Ti is the better GPU.

Edited July 28, 2024 by kksnowbear

[skywalker22]

If you can get EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 or SC2, would do the job for you. The best of this series, and can easily cope with next gen.

[Rudel_chw]

15 minutes ago, Holbeach said:

Does DCS use Ray Tracing?

 

Not at the moment, but it is supposed to get it when Vulkan arrives:

 

 

That said, with the RTX 2080ti DCS supports more advanced antialiasing techniques, so I would definitely prefer the RTX2080 over the GTX 1080 ... in fact check my signature, I recently exchanged my prior GTX 1070ti with an RTX 2080 (not ti), and the overall fps improvement on my machine was about 30% on 2D mode (I'm not using VR).

 

[Holbeach]

14 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Again, it depends on cost.  A free 1080Ti is much better than a 2080Ti that costs $200.

If cost is not a concern, then the 2080Ti is the better GPU.

Price is similar. 1080ti has massive reputation. 2080 ti is about same, but has ray tracing.

So I guess the 2080ti has the edge for an old system like mine.

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12 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

Not at the moment, but it is supposed to get it when Vulkan arrives:

 

 

That said, with the RTX 2080ti DCS supports more advanced antialiasing techniques, so I would definitely prefer the RTX2080 over the GTX 1080 ... in fact check my signature, I recently exchanged my prior GTX 1070ti with an RTX 2080 (not ti), and the overall fps improvement on my machine was about 30% on 2D mode (I'm not using VR).

 

Looks like it's the 2080ti wins.

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[kksnowbear]

Just now, Holbeach said:

Price is similar.

Then yes, without going into a ton of detail here, I'd say the 2080Ti is a better deal.

[Holbeach]

Thanks chaps.

You've been very helpfull.

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[kksnowbear]

I would, however, strenuously reiterate my earlier point concerning mismatched components.

Doesn't matter if it's been OK with the 1070 you have. You can actually make the symptoms of this mismatching worse than they were, by going to a better GPU.

[Holbeach]

OK. So what would you do?

If you had my system and wanted to upgrade, what would you do?

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Edited July 28, 2024 by Holbeach

[The_Nephilim]

10 minutes ago, Holbeach said:

OK. So what would you do?

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well it depends on the cost of each card and I see you run 1080P so either card should be fine.. depends on the cost at this point.. I had both

Edited July 28, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[kksnowbear]

1 hour ago, Holbeach said:

OK. So what would you do?

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If you're referring to me, what I would suggest is first, establish a budget.  This means money now calls the shots (as it usually does anyway), but more importantly, allows for allocating amounts to the various components, and winding up with a more 'balanced' system.

What comes next will honestly depend on the budget you have available.

If you've only got money for the GPU you've asked about, that makes it a much trickier decision.

It's worth noting here that the 1070 you have now is already somewhat overmatched to a 2600K CPU.  Putting an even more powerful GPU in such a system isn't really a good idea.

Edited July 28, 2024 by kksnowbear

[Nightdare]

1 hour ago, Holbeach said:

Price is similar. 1080ti has massive reputation. 2080 ti is about same

 

Reputation is worth nothing here, 2080ti or even super is the better performing card, period 

You could argue that case for the 2080 non-TI/Super though

1 hour ago, Holbeach said:

but has ray tracing.

 

Which has no added value whatsoever on the 2080ti, just look at the performance hit 30x0/40x0 cards are taking when switching on RT, while being better equipped for it

For the 20x0 series, one can almost state Ray Tracing was a sales gimmick

Edited July 28, 2024 by Nightdare

[Rudel_chw]

37 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

For the 20x0 series, one can almost state Ray Tracing was a sales gimmick

 

I agree ... but the antialiasing of it is more advanced than the one of the GTX series.

[scommander2]

I will say 2080Ti if power supply can support it.

[kksnowbear]

2 minutes ago, scommander2 said:

I will say 2080Ti if power supply can support it.

OP lists a 1000W PSU in sig.

[Nightdare]

12 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

I agree ... but the antialiasing of it is more advanced than the one of the GTX series.

 

First off: it wasn't called the "AATX"

Secondly, the AA has always been improved, even within series themselves

[kksnowbear]

2 hours ago, Holbeach said:

If you had a 15 YO PC with a GTX 1070, which one, (2Hand), would you upgrade too?

Does DCS use Ray Tracing?

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BTW your sig also lists a "Samsung M2 NVMe"....

How is this connected to a motherboard that supports a 2600K CPU (and thus doesn't have m2 slots)?  Please do not say USB...

[xoxen]

Definitely the RTX 2080 Ti, it is faster and should bring you more benefit. But you also could become disappointed if the CPU already now is your bottleneck. Check your GPU and CPU utilisation in your most common played mission (with MSI Afterburner or similar) to see what bottlenecks your system. If the GPU is at 100% with the 1070, invest into a GPU, if you are way below (e. g. 70%), a new GPU will be limited by the CPU again, so no or minor gain in FPS to expect. I guess in 1080p you might come faster to a CPU limit.

I already did a CPU upgrade when my GPU was at 99%, I went from a 4790k to a 5800X, no gain in FPS at all.

You are at the opposite way, upgrading the GPU if it is way lower than 100% would most probably end with a similar outcome.

I hope you can follow my thoughts and got my point.

[Aapje]

4 hours ago, Holbeach said:

Given that DCS runs very well in its current form, with GPU being the bottleneck.

Which one?

I am amazed that it does, but I guess that you've found some settings that work for you somehow. In theory, the 2080 Ti is twice as fast as the 1070, but that is when tested with a much faster system. The issue is that the GPU needs to be fed by the CPU. So the slower the CPU, the more a fast GPU will be slowed down by the CPU.

And especially in simming, the game already puts a big burden on the CPU, so the chance is very high that the 2080 Ti isn't going to do much for you.

What I would do is to keep saving and to look out for a good 2nd hand deal. Perhaps a second hand AM4 system with a slower processor, that can get a huge boost with a 5700X3D upgrade.

[kksnowbear]

1 minute ago, Aapje said:

I am amazed that it does, but I guess that you've found some settings that work for you somehow. In theory, the 2080 Ti is twice as fast as the 1070, but that is when tested with a much faster system. The issue is that the GPU needs to be fed by the CPU. So the slower the CPU, the more a fast GPU will be slowed down by the CPU.

And especially in simming, the game already puts a big burden on the CPU, so the chance is very high that the 2080 Ti isn't going to do much for you.

What I would do is to keep saving and to look out for a good 2nd hand deal. Perhaps a second hand AM4 system with a slower processor, that can get a huge boost with a 5700X3D upgrade.

Agree 100%.  A very concise and accurate description, and a reasonable suggestion for dealing with it.

[Holbeach]

2 hours ago, kksnowbear said:

BTW your sig also lists a "Samsung M2 NVMe"....

How is this connected to a motherboard that supports a 2600K CPU (and thus doesn't have m2 slots)?  Please do not say USB...

I'm using an adaptor for the Evo 970 2 Tb. This means it runs at about half its theoretical speed, but 3 times the speed of a SSD.

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1 hour ago, xoxen said:

 But you also could become disappointed if the CPU already now is your bottleneck.

 

The GPU is my bottleneck.

The GPU is always at 100% because I use Vsync Fast

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Edited July 28, 2024 by Holbeach