MAXsenna Posted January 10 Posted January 10 The tweaks only affects DLSS, right?When reading the OP, it seems both can benefit. I use DLAA, as it's the same performance as DLSS while less smearing, and it looks a lot better compared to MSAA on my system. So hopes are high! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
greyeagle787 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) So you’re using tweaks to affect both/either settings is what I’m getting? Edited January 10 by greyeagle787
MAXsenna Posted January 10 Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, greyeagle787 said: So you’re using tweaks to affect both settings is what I’m getting? I actually haven't gotten around to try it yet. Guess I'll wait to see what 4.0 brings.
rob10 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, greyeagle787 said: Been studying this post and a little confused. When applying the tweaks settings for DCS, do I use DLAA with DLSS off, or On with 1 of the 4 options? Since the 3.8.10 files there are only E and F preset available and IIRC you get F if you set to ULTRA and E if you set to anything else. The tweak hacks earlier in the thread are no longer required (or at least not really useful anymore) as I understand it. Edited January 10 by rob10 1
greyeagle787 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 38 minutes ago, rob10 said: Since the 3.8.10 files there are only E and F preset available and IIRC you get F if you set to ULTRA and E if you set to anything else. The tweak hacks earlier in the thread are no longer required (or at least not really useful anymore) as I understand it. Got that. Was wondering if it’s used in DCS when you have only DLAA selected or when you are using DLSS
draconus Posted January 10 Posted January 10 7 hours ago, greyeagle787 said: Was wondering if it’s used in DCS when you have only DLAA selected or when you are using DLSS DLAA is DLSS without the scaling process. 2 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
warmachine79 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) Hey guys, is there is a sticky or something that just sums up what to do to get the best DLSS quality and how to potentially decrease the amount of upscale? There are multiple threads on exchanging .dll files, what version of DLSS to use on what version of DCS and on using tools like DLSStweaks. DLAA is too slow for me, DLSS Quality is fine FPS wise but could look better, so I am looking for something in-between. Edited January 11 by warmachine79 1
PawlaczGMD Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Does anyone know if a similar preset change can be done for FSR 3 (AMD tech)? I was getting very significant ghosting with it.
cercata Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) On 1/15/2025 at 7:27 PM, PawlaczGMD said: Does anyone know if a similar preset change can be done for FSR 3 (AMD tech)? I was getting very significant ghosting with it. I don't think so, until FSR4 i think there will be ghosting. Edited January 17 by cercata
PawlaczGMD Posted January 17 Posted January 17 14 minutes ago, cercata said: I don't think so, until FSR4 i think there will be ghosting. I'm not making the same mistake again, I'm getting a 5000
cercata Posted January 17 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, PawlaczGMD said: I'm not making the same mistake again, I'm getting a 5000 What do you have now ? I guess that FSR4 will arrive to the RX7900 cards, they didn't promise anything, but they are working on it.
PawlaczGMD Posted January 17 Posted January 17 22 minutes ago, cercata said: What do you have now ? I guess that FSR4 will arrive to the RX7900 cards, they didn't promise anything, but they are working on it. I have the 7900 XTX. Even with FSR4, I want to switch to Nvidia, because I will probably need CUDA for work. I also need more power for Crystal Super.
Youtch Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Does this trick eliminate ghosting even when you have motion reprojection enable?
sleighzy Posted January 17 Author Posted January 17 2 hours ago, Youtch said: Does this trick eliminate ghosting even when you have motion reprojection enable? Yes. Motion reprojection comes with it's own set of problems though, i.e. injecting "fake" frames, so you can still get artifacting from that which is different than DLSS ghosting. AMD 7800x3D, 4080Super, 64Gb DDR5 RAM, 4Tb NVMe M.2, Quest 2
Youtch Posted January 18 Posted January 18 10 hours ago, sleighzy said: Yes. Motion reprojection comes with it's own set of problems though, i.e. injecting "fake" frames, so you can still get artifacting from that which is different than DLSS ghosting. Thanks for your answer. I am quite bothered by seeing ghost plane whenever a plane is crossing in front of my nose with high deflection, or even seeing it with my own plane whenever I switch to the fly-by view. Is this due to the ghosting of DLSS or to the artefact from Motion retroprojection? Unfortunately I am incapable of running the game without Motion retroprojection. Many thanks again, y.
sleighzy Posted January 18 Author Posted January 18 8 hours ago, Youtch said: Thanks for your answer. I am quite bothered by seeing ghost plane whenever a plane is crossing in front of my nose with high deflection, or even seeing it with my own plane whenever I switch to the fly-by view. Is this due to the ghosting of DLSS or to the artefact from Motion retroprojection? Unfortunately I am incapable of running the game without Motion retroprojection. Many thanks again, y. Turn off DLSS/DLAA and see what it looks like for you. Try also MSAA and see how that looks (this one is a performance hit and I don’t like the shimmers). 1 1 AMD 7800x3D, 4080Super, 64Gb DDR5 RAM, 4Tb NVMe M.2, Quest 2
mmike87 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 10 hours ago, Youtch said: Thanks for your answer. I am quite bothered by seeing ghost plane whenever a plane is crossing in front of my nose with high deflection, or even seeing it with my own plane whenever I switch to the fly-by view. Is this due to the ghosting of DLSS or to the artefact from Motion retroprojection? Unfortunately I am incapable of running the game without Motion retroprojection. Many thanks again, y. I suffered from horrible "double vision" ghosting on my Aero with a 4090 running "auto" vertical sync which downgrades to 45 from 90 if the game can't generate 90fps. Thus, I also have MR on all the time. The latest DLSS version, pre-set F solved 85% of my ghosting. It's strange, because I've tried it before, and it didn't seem to do any good. So I uninstalled the Varjo Base software, and dynamic-related rendering software (Varjo Foveated), and reinstalled everything from scratch. And since then, my visual quality and smoothness and lack of ghosting have greatly improved. I run with pretty high settings... With DFR at 1.4/1.0 and DLSS on "quality". Sometimes I can tell when it drops out of 90 Hertz and switches to 45, but overall it's been a much improved experience. There are, of course, some occasional stutters which I am convinced at this point have nothing to do with graphics settings. My guess as a 30+ year veteran software engineer with considerable multithreading experience... It's sort sort of thread-synch issue. I have lowered my graphics settings all the way down to the bare minimum and my 64GB DDR5 6800 13900K can still see occasional stuttering. 2
draconus Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/18/2025 at 10:41 AM, Youtch said: I am quite bothered by seeing ghost plane whenever a plane is crossing in front of my nose with high deflection, or even seeing it with my own plane whenever I switch to the fly-by view. Is this due to the ghosting of DLSS or to the artefact from Motion retroprojection? This is totally MR/ASW effect - artefacts. The ghosting effect we talk about here from DLSS/DLAA is mostly visible on MFDs as a smeared movement slightly disconnected from the MFD frame. Edited January 22 by draconus 1 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted January 22 Posted January 22 On 1/15/2025 at 7:27 PM, PawlaczGMD said: FSR 3 As far as I understand, DCS is stuck with FSR 1 until we get Vulkan: FSR 2 and 3 apparently require either DX12 or Vulkan. 2 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | Virpil CM3 throttle | Virpil CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings
Moezilla Posted January 22 Posted January 22 3 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: As far as I understand, DCS is stuck with FSR 1 until we get Vulkan: FSR 2 and 3 apparently require either DX12 or Vulkan. With Optiscaler you can re-route DLSS calls to FSR 2 or 3 on non-nvidia GPUs (I have an AMD card) even in DX11. I haven't tested it in every scenario but it works as a proof-of-concept. 1
PawlaczGMD Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Moezilla said: With Optiscaler you can re-route DLSS calls to FSR 2 or 3 on non-nvidia GPUs (I have an AMD card) even in DX11. I haven't tested it in every scenario but it works as a proof-of-concept. Interesting - I cannot even select DLSS in-game though. Maybe I have to install Optiscaler first? I'll check it out, thx. Although I plan on getting a 5080 or 5090 anyway in a few weeks.
MAXsenna Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 hours ago, PawlaczGMD said: Interesting - I cannot even select DLSS in-game though. Maybe I have to install Optiscaler first? I'll check it out, thx. Although I plan on getting a 5080 or 5090 anyway in a few weeks. You have Nvidia now? I have a 2080Ti and had the same issue. Had to use drivers from January 2024, or DCS wouldnt start. Couldn't select DLAA/DLSS and other issues. Installation of Nvidia Broadcast would always crash. Had a look in the Event viewer and Googled the error, spent a whole bloody day, and finally I found the solution. I had to delete a registry entry. Probably a leftover from my old Titan drivers or something. Alas I didn't screengrab it. But if I see the entry, I'll probably remember. Cheers!
PawlaczGMD Posted January 22 Posted January 22 24 minutes ago, MAXsenna said: You have Nvidia now? I have a 2080Ti and had the same issue. Had to use drivers from January 2024, or DCS wouldnt start. Couldn't select DLAA/DLSS and other issues. Installation of Nvidia Broadcast would always crash. Had a look in the Event viewer and Googled the error, spent a whole bloody day, and finally I found the solution. I had to delete a registry entry. Probably a leftover from my old Titan drivers or something. Alas I didn't screengrab it. But if I see the entry, I'll probably remember. Cheers! Sorry, to be clear I have AMD now - that's why I was asking about improving FSR (AMD tech). I might play with it over the weekend to test DLSS, as I am relying on it to work with Crystal Super I want to get. 1
MAXsenna Posted January 22 Posted January 22 11 minutes ago, PawlaczGMD said: Sorry, to be clear I have AMD now - that's why I was asking about improving FSR (AMD tech). I might play with it over the weekend to test DLSS, as I am relying on it to work with Crystal Super I want to get. I see. 5 hours ago, PawlaczGMD said: - I cannot even select DLSS in-game though. This confused me.
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