Does it make any sense to upgrade to 5700x3d from a 5800x?

[Customizer171]

I am thinking if this upgrade will allow me to skip upgrading the CPU again until AM6? Or is the difference from the 5800x I already have so small that it won't make any difference?

It's a rather small cost if it would allow me to skip AM5 and then do a complete new build when AM6 arrive.

Depending on how Nvidia's 5000 series turn out, it's possible I might get one of those later next year. 

I play in VR, singleplayer only and I am actually pretty happy with my performance this far.

Maybe this is just a stupid idea, what do you think?

[kksnowbear]

I think the 5700X3D is a great CPU.  It's generally accepted that the X3D CPUs broadly provide "best in class" gaming performance.

But the 5800X isn't exactly slouchy, and even after years of experience, having built lots of AM3 machines, I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to which of the two is better- that is to say that, in my opinion, the difference you'll get isnt going to justify the cost. If it were free, maybe....but even then IMO it's going to be kinda "meh".

And, to be clear, although you have to decide for yourself whether skipping AM4 and AM5 is right for you, I don't think either the 5700X3D or the 5800X is really so much of a performer that it means you should wait on AM6.  IMO of course.  But you do have to consider budget, and without that it's impossible to say what's the best approach.

HTH Good luck

Edited October 26, 2024 by kksnowbear

[Customizer171]

42 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

I think the 5700X3D is a great CPU.  It's generally accepted that the X3D CPUs broadly provide "best in class" gaming performance.

But the 5800X isn't exactly slouchy, and even after years of experience, having built lots of AM3 machines, I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to which of the two is better- that is too say that, in my opinion, the difference you'll get isnt going to justify the cost. If it were free, maybe....but even then IMO it's going to be kinda "meh".

And, to be clear, although you have to decide for yourself whether skipping AM4 and AM5 is right for you, I don't think either the 5700X3D or the 5800X is really so much of a performer that it means you should wait on AM6.  IMO of course.  But you do have to consider budget, and without that it's impossible to say what's the best approach.

HTH Good luck

 

Thanks for your advice, this is probably what I needed to hear. Since I am pretty happy with it, I should probably not do anything, until I get dissatisfied with its performance.

 

[EightyDuce]

Gaming performance, based on the numbers in the recent GN/HUB reviews of new Intel chips, shows anywhere from 10% to 30% improvement in framerate on a 5700X3D over a 5800X in the games that were tested.

 

Whether that's something that makes sense to you, only you can answer that. Unfortunately they do not bench DCS.

[kksnowbear]

55 minutes ago, EightyDuce said:

Gaming performance, based on the numbers in the recent GN/HUB reviews of new Intel chips, shows anywhere from 10% to 30% improvement in framerate on a 5700X3D over a 5800X in the games that were tested.

Link?

I watched two very recent HUB videos about the new Intel CPUs, but don't recall seeing a 5700X3D in the CPUs they tested.  Could be wrong.  I went back just now and (very quickly) checked a few of the recent Intel reviews again, and while the 5800X is there, I still don't see a 5700X3D.

Maybe I'm missing something?

(PS Don't care about GN, just HUB.)

[LucShep]

22 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Link?

I watched two very recent HUB videos about the new Intel CPUs, but don't recall seeing a 5700X3D in the CPUs they tested.  Could be wrong.  I went back just now and (very quickly) checked a few of the recent Intel reviews again, and while the 5800X is there, I still don't see a 5700X3D.

Maybe I'm missing something?

(PS Don't care about GN, just HUB.)

https://www.techspot.com/review/2801-amd-ryzen-5700x3d/

^^ TECHSPOT is the "written website" of the HUB youtube channel, where Steve Walton also posts hardware reviews.

 

[kksnowbear]

Well that explains it.  Didn't see it in the HUB Intel release videos...that's a 5700X3D review, so I'm guessing it's not what was referenced above. Still like to see that.

It is a bit surprising but not really earth shattering IMO.  10 game average is something like 17%...in some games it's far lower, so it obviously depends. I think DCS would be on the low end of that range.  Having done quite a few AM4 machines (including my own) from 5800X to 5800X3D, I'm certain there was never anything even close to a 30% increase.  I'm thinking maybe 5-10% (and that's a 5800X3D)

He usually does a lot more games in his averages (20 to even 40) and it's curious this is only 10.  Even he said recently that it was curious that AMD tested such a limited number of games for their internal AM5 numbers.  He actually said cherry picking IIRC.

Plus when you factor in price, I would still maintain the difference is pretty much meh and not worth the cost....and certainly not worthy of skipping AM4 IMO - to directly address the OP's question. 

Edited October 26, 2024 by kksnowbear

[EightyDuce]

5700X3D for those who care.

Edited October 26, 2024 by EightyDuce

[kksnowbear]

Yeahhhhh...zero confidence in that lot, thanks.  You tend to have a totally different perspective of all the YouTube "reviewers" after years of formal training and first-hand, real world professional experience.

So it wasn't a HUB Intel review then?

Edited October 26, 2024 by kksnowbear

[EightyDuce]

11 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Yeahhhhh...zero confidence in that lot, thanks.  You tend to have a totally different perspective of all the YouTube "reviewers" after years of formal training and first-hand, real world experience.

So it wasn't a HUB Intel review then?

 

We will eagerly await your comprehensive benchmark suite analysis of these modern CPUs, such as the 5700X3D compared to 5800X. Excited to see the fruit of your years of formal training and first hand, real world experience and the contribution they would bring to the scene. 

[kksnowbear]

On 10/26/2024 at 6:14 PM, EightyDuce said:

 

We will eagerly await your comprehensive benchmark suite analysis of these modern CPUs, such as the 5700X3D compared to 5800X. Excited to see the fruit of your years of formal training and first hand, real world experience and the contribution they would bring to the scene. 

Yeah.

Of course, since the real world professional experience and training tends to keep me very busy doing paid work...you probably don't wanna hold your breath, waiting for me to look at CPUs that are now two generations old.

Of course, if you wish to retain services for having said comprehensive review done, I can offer a quote via PM. (Because, you know...that's what "professional" means; I usually get paid to do this work).

As I already said, I think the 5700X3D is a great chip.  If someone has a AM4 board with something like a 2600 or 3600x and can't find a 5800X3D for what they wanna pay, sure.

But buying a 5700X3D as a replacement for a 5800X and a means to skip AM4 and AM5 (as the OP asked)?  My considered professional opinion is as stated: Depending on the budget situation (as always), I can't recommend it.

And I don't really require spending a ton of time to arrive at that conclusion, thanks.

Edited October 28, 2024 by kksnowbear

[LucShep]

8 hours ago, kksnowbear said:

Well that explains it.  Didn't see it in the HUB Intel release videos...that's a 5700X3D review, so I'm guessing it's not what was referenced above. Still like to see that.

 

Come on, really?  ...all it took was a single search on youtube (10 seconds?)
 

It's the same content as in the written review at Techspot that I previously posted.

Edited October 27, 2024 by LucShep

[Customizer171]

10 hours ago, EightyDuce said:

Gaming performance, based on the numbers in the recent GN/HUB reviews of new Intel chips, shows anywhere from 10% to 30% improvement in framerate on a 5700X3D over a 5800X in the games that were tested.

 

Whether that's something that makes sense to you, only you can answer that. Unfortunately they do not bench DCS.

That's part of the problem, all these benchmarks don't say much since the difference between games are so big. I really wish they included DCS.

Another thing is that I only play in VR and that is also different (I guess). I don't necessarily need more FPS but a smoother game, and if I understand it correctly, the x3d cpu:s is doing a good job with that.

[Customizer171]

7 hours ago, kksnowbear said:

 

As I already said, I think the 5700X3D is a great chip.  If someone has a AM4 board with something like a 2600 or 3600x and can't find a 5800X3D for what they wanna pay, sure.

But buying a 5700X3D as a replacement for a 5800X and a means to skip AM4 and AM5 (as the OP asked)?  My considered professional opinion is as stated: Depending on the budget situation (as always), I can't recommend it.

 

Thanks , I really appreciate your help in this. I am not really looking for more FPS but a smoother game since I only play in VR and I thought the x3d models did a good job with that?

And to clarify, because I might have misunderstood things. When I said I was hoping I could wait until AM6, to make a complete new build, I meant to wait until the CPU that is coming after the 9000 series. 

I probably mixed up Zen 6 and AM6. As you understand I am not an expert regarding computers, lol.

[Hiob]

Considering that you plan on buying a 5090 later, money doesn’t seem to be an impregnable obstacle. In that case I wouldn’t settle for a 5700X3D but get me a 5800X3D. Which certainly would be a meaningful upgrade for DCS in CPU-bound scenarios.

[Customizer171]

1 hour ago, Hiob said:

Considering that you plan on buying a 5090 later, money doesn’t seem to be an impregnable obstacle. In that case I wouldn’t settle for a 5700X3D but get me a 5800X3D. Which certainly would be a meaningful upgrade for DCS in CPU-bound scenarios.

I would love to have a 5090 but it will probably be more money than I want to spend. I am hoping for a 5080S.

5800x3d seams hard to find these days and most people agree that it isn't worth the extra cost compared to the 5700x3d.

I could be wrong but that's my conclusion from what I have read.

[jackill]

Maybe im a bit late for this discussion, but here are MSFS2020 benchmarks with both 5800X and 5800x3D: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-cpu-review/6

It is not DCS, but better comparison than fps games for example. 

[Hiob]

2 hours ago, Customizer171 said:

I would love to have a 5090 but it will probably be more money than I want to spend. I am hoping for a 5080S.

5800x3d seams hard to find these days and most people agree that it isn't worth the extra cost compared to the 5700x3d.

I could be wrong but that's my conclusion from what I have read.

I can’t judge that. The 5700x3d didn’t exist when I did my testing. Only thing I can tell for sure is, that DCS benefits nicely from the 3D cache. About 20% improved CPU frametimes as I said. Mind though that this is only relevant when you are CPU bound, which - at least in single player without an overkill of scripts and units - you are usually not.

[Customizer171]

20 minutes ago, Hiob said:

I can’t judge that. The 5700x3d didn’t exist when I did my testing. Only thing I can tell for sure is, that DCS benefits nicely from the 3D cache. About 20% improved CPU frametimes as I said. Mind though that this is only relevant when you are CPU bound, which - at least in single player without an overkill of scripts and units - you are usually not.

Do you play in VR or monitor?

Do you happen to know if the benefits of the x3d is the same when using VR?

From my understanding, having low and stable frame times is the answer to getting a smooth gameplay.

I only play singleplayer but the in game performance tab mostly show that I'm CPU bound.

[kksnowbear]

16 hours ago, LucShep said:

Come on, really?  ...all it took was a single search on youtube (10 seconds?)
 

It's the same content as in the written review at Techspot that I previously posted.

 

Yes but (as I explained already) I was looking at the "recent HUB reviews of new Intel chips", because that's where it was said they were.  (You must have overlooked that part).

Couldn't care less about GN as I said.

As I described I had just finished watching both HUB new Intel reviews, but saw no mention of 5700X3D.

I did go back and double check...not there.  So I asked for a link.  It's common practice on the internet to ask for a link to corroborate a claim; up to the person who made the claim, not really up to the reader to chase down corroborating data.

And it turns out there was no HUB new Intel review that compared a 5700X3D to a 5800X.

So yeah, I guess that's my fault now...? Better get the mods lol

Edited October 27, 2024 by kksnowbear

[kksnowbear]

8 hours ago, Customizer171 said:

Thanks , I really appreciate your help in this. I am not really looking for more FPS but a smoother game since I only play in VR and I thought the x3d models did a good job with that?

And to clarify, because I might have misunderstood things. When I said I was hoping I could wait until AM6, to make a complete new build, I meant to wait until the CPU that is coming after the 9000 series. 

I probably mixed up Zen 6 and AM6. As you understand I am not an expert regarding computers, lol.

I am glad if it helps.  My opinion seems to differ from others - but as I've indicated, it is my opinion.  It's also based on several factors, and still depends on budget (which you haven't given any detail on, other than to say the 5700X3D is "a rather small cost if it would allow me to skip AM5 and then do a complete new build when AM6 arrive.") The 5700X3D is comparatively new, so I'm not sure you'd find a lot of used units - meaning I think you're referring to cost of a new unit.  If that's true, then we're looking at ~$225 retail (US).

If someone were to walk in my shop with your exact situation, I'd tell them I don't think it's worth spending nearly $250 (taxes) on upgrading a CPU on the platform you have, that IMO just isn't going to 'feel' like that much of an upgrade.  As I've said more than once, the X3Ds are great, known for being gaming performers, I would just hate to sell someone on buying brand new hardware only to have them disappointed with the outcome.  Better safe than sorry, as it were.

Something no one here can really judge at all is your level of expectation.  You wouldn't be the first person to say they had reasonable expectations, only to be unhappy when they weren't met - not saying you are, but there have been many!

It happens right here on the forum from time to time.  And as a builder myself, I have to be aware of/sensitive to the fact that it happens, else face a dissatisfied buyer and lost confidence.

Among other things, your sig doesn't indicate what kind of motherboard you have...you could have a 5800X on a very low-end B450 board for all anyone reading this knows, which could support a Zen3 CPU but still be very dated in other areas/features.  Should I recommend you spend $250 upgrading such a platform when it's already getting dated?  Not in my mind - but again, this ties back to budget, as I said in my first post, and further depends on as-yet-unknown details.

Something else:  Yes, I think it's generally accepted that the X3Ds are good at helping with frametimes/smoothness...but I also realize that DCS has some ugly performance tendencies at times.  It's been discussed over and over again on this forum, TBH.  And there are people right here in this thread who are very vocal about these performance issues.

So, the real questions then become: Would an X3D CPU help "smooth out" DCS?  Possibly.  But is that the same as saying it will overcome DCS' inherent performance issues, to the point you're happy you spent ~$250?  

Now that I'm just not so sure of.  In fact, in my opinion, I don't think it's going to solve all the problems you perceive with lack of smoothness.  I think at least part of that is intractable within DCS at present, and not something even *much* more capable CPUs have completely resolved.

Again, a big part of the problem is that no one here - including me - really knows what you are expecting to get, and that's the absolute truth.  (Though it does appear that I'm possibly the only one thinking all this through in this level of detail and pointing it out).

To be clear: I don't think you're wrong about the AM5/AM6 thing.  If it seems I've misunderstood you, I apologize.

To further clarify, I don't think it's wise to dismiss Zen4 on AM5.  From where you are now, that's a sizable upgrade that might cost more, but I feel might make you happier with the outcome.  And, if it's done right, I don't think the cost would be terrible - but again, that depends on budget and what deals you can get where you are, etc.

IMO, you're better off saving your money such that your next move is to Zen4 (or 5) on an AM5 platform, rather than putting more into the great-but-aging AM4 platform that you have now.  There are distinct and clear advantages to buying new hardware (or even good used stuff) a generation behind what's "latest and greatest" - chief among then, avoiding the absolutely crazy prices you usually see at introduction.  That's a strategy I've used for many years now, as do many many other gamers, and I do recommend it's worth considering.

But as I keep saying: It depends on budget.

That's my opinion - and why - FWIW.

Edited October 27, 2024 by kksnowbear

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, Customizer171 said:

Do you play in VR or monitor?

Do you happen to know if the benefits of the x3d is the same when using VR?

From my understanding, having low and stable frame times is the answer to getting a smooth gameplay.

I only play singleplayer but the in game performance tab mostly show that I'm CPU bound.

I will preface this by saying that mine is not a 5700X3D and it has been a while since in-made the switch.

Now, I switched from a 7700X (system specs in the signature,only thing changed was the CPU) to a 7800X3D amd I saw a noticeable  improvement to frametime pacing in VR using my G2. I may dig through some old threads if i have time, as I wanna say in ran some numbers at the time.

Again, not an apples to apples comparison but maybe close enough to paint at least a bit of a picture. To be perfectly honest, if you're going for a big upgrade when 50XX series GPUs come, I would hold your $$ and upgrade the CPU/mb/ram then too; but that is an individual choice based on ones own tolerance. Not a fan of half measure "upgrades", especially at full price and on an aging socket, but I am also pretty sensitive to stutters in VR so I went all in. IMO don't plan your system on what the next shiny MIGHT be, guage whether your needs are being met and make the call from there based on tech avaliable. AM6 could be another large leap or it could be a meh side-grade.

There are a lot of unknowns in your original question and it's hard to make a more detailed suggestion without knowing current setup, budget, and desire/expected performance result. Some folks here play in VR with settings and performance I would find unplayable, but they are happy with it. All subjective.

PS, not sure if it's an option where you are located, but might be worth to get the X3D and return if it doesn't pan out as expected...YMMV based on return policies .

Edited October 27, 2024 by EightyDuce

[Hiob]

4 hours ago, Customizer171 said:

Do you play in VR or monitor?

Do you happen to know if the benefits of the x3d is the same when using VR?

From my understanding, having low and stable frame times is the answer to getting a smooth gameplay.

I only play singleplayer but the in game performance tab mostly show that I'm CPU bound.

The improvement of the CPU bottleneck is in either scenario. However in VR you are even more often CPU-bound. How often exactly nobody knows except yourself.

[Customizer171]

On 10/27/2024 at 2:16 PM, kksnowbear said:

I am glad if it helps.  My opinion seems to differ from others - but as I've indicated, it is my opinion.  It's also based on several factors, and still depends on budget (which you haven't given any detail on, other than to say the 5700X3D is "a rather small cost if it would allow me to skip AM5 and then do a complete new build when AM6 arrive.") The 5700X3D is comparatively new, so I'm not sure you'd find a lot of used units - meaning I think you're referring to cost of a new unit.  If that's true, then we're looking at ~$225 retail (US).

If someone were to walk in my shop with your exact situation, I'd tell them I don't think it's worth spending nearly $250 (taxes) on upgrading a CPU on the platform you have, that IMO just isn't going to 'feel' like that much of an upgrade.  As I've said more than once, the X3Ds are great, known for being gaming performers, I would just hate to sell someone on buying brand new hardware only to have them disappointed with the outcome.  Better safe than sorry, as it were.

Something no one here can really judge at all is your level of expectation.  You wouldn't be the first person to say they had reasonable expectations, only to be unhappy when they weren't met - not saying you are, but there have been many!

It happens right here on the forum from time to time.  And as a builder myself, I have to be aware of/sensitive to the fact that it happens, else face a dissatisfied buyer and lost confidence.

Among other things, your sig doesn't indicate what kind of motherboard you have...you could have a 5800X on a very low-end B450 board for all anyone reading this knows, which could support a Zen3 CPU but still be very dated in other areas/features.  Should I recommend you spend $250 upgrading such a platform when it's already getting dated?  Not in my mind - but again, this ties back to budget, as I said in my first post, and further depends on as-yet-unknown details.

Something else:  Yes, I think it's generally accepted that the X3Ds are good at helping with frametimes/smoothness...but I also realize that DCS has some ugly performance tendencies at times.  It's been discussed over and over again on this forum, TBH.  And there are people right here in this thread who are very vocal about these performance issues.

So, the real questions then become: Would an X3D CPU help "smooth out" DCS?  Possibly.  But is that the same as saying it will overcome DCS' inherent performance issues, to the point you're happy you spent ~$250?  

Now that I'm just not so sure of.  In fact, in my opinion, I don't think it's going to solve all the problems you perceive with lack of smoothness.  I think at least part of that is intractable within DCS at present, and not something even *much* more capable CPUs have completely resolved.

Again, a big part of the problem is that no one here - including me - really knows what you are expecting to get, and that's the absolute truth.  (Though it does appear that I'm possibly the only one thinking all this through in this level of detail and pointing it out).

To be clear: I don't think you're wrong about the AM5/AM6 thing.  If it seems I've misunderstood you, I apologize.

To further clarify, I don't think it's wise to dismiss Zen4 on AM5.  From where you are now, that's a sizable upgrade that might cost more, but I feel might make you happier with the outcome.  And, if it's done right, I don't think the cost would be terrible - but again, that depends on budget and what deals you can get where you are, etc.

IMO, you're better off saving your money such that your next move is to Zen4 (or 5) on an AM5 platform, rather than putting more into the great-but-aging AM4 platform that you have now.  There are distinct and clear advantages to buying new hardware (or even good used stuff) a generation behind what's "latest and greatest" - chief among then, avoiding the absolutely crazy prices you usually see at introduction.  That's a strategy I've used for many years now, as do many many other gamers, and I do recommend it's worth considering.

But as I keep saying: It depends on budget.

That's my opinion - and why - FWIW.

 

I understand it's impossible to give 100% accurate advice on things like this, because it depends on expectations, personal preferences and budgets.

That's why places like this is good because you often get different options from people, I like that.

I didn't mention any budget because it's not that important to me regarding these amounts. You can get a new 5700x3d from AliExpress for around 160$.

Of course it would be better to upgrade to a later model CPU but then I also need a new mb, ram and probably a new gpu if I wanna take full advantage of the upgrades. Now we're talking about a lot more money and that's more than I want to spend right now.

I just want to extend the life of my current rig and reduce some of the stuttering. I have no problem spending the amount for a new build when it's really necessary but as it is now I am still pretty happy.

Btw, my mb is an Asus ROG Strix X570-f.

I really appreciate your effort in helping out.

Thanks a lot.

 

On 10/27/2024 at 2:32 PM, EightyDuce said:

I will preface this by saying that mine is not a 5700X3D and it has been a while since in-made the switch.

Now, I switched from a 7700X (system specs in the signature,only thing changed was the CPU) to a 7800X3D amd I saw a noticeable  improvement to frametime pacing in VR using my G2. I may dig through some old threads if i have time, as I wanna say in ran some numbers at the time.

Again, not an apples to apples comparison but maybe close enough to paint at least a bit of a picture. To be perfectly honest, if you're going for a big upgrade when 50XX series GPUs come, I would hold your $$ and upgrade the CPU/mb/ram then too; but that is an individual choice based on ones own tolerance. Not a fan of half measure "upgrades", especially at full price and on an aging socket, but I am also pretty sensitive to stutters in VR so I went all in. IMO don't plan your system on what the next shiny MIGHT be, guage whether your needs are being met and make the call from there based on tech avaliable. AM6 could be another large leap or it could be a meh side-grade.

There are a lot of unknowns in your original question and it's hard to make a more detailed suggestion without knowing current setup, budget, and desire/expected performance result. Some folks here play in VR with settings and performance I would find unplayable, but they are happy with it. All subjective.

PS, not sure if it's an option where you are located, but might be worth to get the X3D and return if it doesn't pan out as expected...YMMV based on return policies .

 

Thanks, I appreciate your opinions.

I gonna give it all a thought before I make any decisions.

[kksnowbear]

On 10/28/2024 at 11:12 AM, Customizer171 said:

I understand it's impossible to give 100% accurate advice on things like this, because it depends on expectations, personal preferences and budgets.

That's why places like this is good because you often get different options from people, I like that.

I didn't mention any budget because it's not that important to me regarding these amounts. You can get a new 5700x3d from AliExpress for around 160$.

Of course it would be better to upgrade to a later model CPU but then I also need a new mb, ram and probably a new gpu if I wanna take full advantage of the upgrades. Now we're talking about a lot more money and that's more than I want to spend right now.

I just want to extend the life of my current rig and reduce some of the stuttering. I have no problem spending the amount for a new build when it's really necessary but as it is now I am still pretty happy.

Btw, my mb is an Asus ROG Strix X570-f.

I really appreciate your effort in helping out.

Thanks a lot.

Thanks for the new info.  The additional detail does help with answering your initial question.  Three points that were missing earlier:

1. Cost of 5700X3D: The 5700X3D price you're citing is better than I have seen "retail", which in the US was approaching $250 as I said.  If you can get it for $160 ("all in", with any shipping taxes/duties etc) that's a fairly significant difference.  I could be way off base here, but I personally would be concerned about the difference in price and where it's coming from ("If it sounds too good to be true...") - but again, that's just me personally.  I have had both good and bad experiences with AliExpress.

2. Platform you'd be upgrading: Your motherboard is an X570 model, which is as good as it gets in an AM4 platform, so it's not as if you're upgrading a board so old it's missing newer features.  That was a concern I had previously TBH.

3. Budget: If your budget situation favors spending a little now rather than a complete upgrade, that's certainly your choice.  I would agree that $160 is a fairly small price for what you might realize from the cost.

So:

These three new details would all lean more toward the 5700X3D being a 'good idea', certainly.  (Obviously, you're not wrong about higher cost of upgrading to a newer platform).

However, in my mind, the bigger concern remains what you expect to get from it - which is much more difficult (impossible?) to quantify.

The concern (for me) is that you've mentioned 'smoothness' several times, and you're a VR player.  You also mentioned "reduce some of the stuttering"...

I'm going to go back to what I said earlier; that no one here really knows what you are thinking of with terms like 'smoothness'...there is a lot of discussion regarding frame times, which I think it's been established that an X3D CPU will improve.

At the same time, DCS can be a mess at times, particularly in VR.  "Stuttering" is perhaps the most mentioned, argued about, and aggravating facet of running DCS (and in some cases that includes much more powerful systems than yours).  I'm just not convinced that going to the 5700X3D is going to resolve all the issues that are there, and thus I have to wonder how much of that is what you're hoping to get rid of by changing CPUs.

I will say here that in a lot of cases where people aren't happy with DCS' performance, I would say often that expectations are a big factor.  That's far more casual, anecdotal observation than it is empirical fact - but there it is.

In any event, as I said previously:  If someone were standing in my shop, I'd advise them based on my own thoughts and experiences.  I still believe you're better off putting any 'new money' toward the next step, as opposed to a 'stopgap' upgrade - strictly my opinion, FWIW.  (I note here that you have stated you're "actually pretty happy with...performance")

That said, if the person still wanted me to do the upgrade, I'd do it - with the very specific caveat that it may not completely fix 'smoothness' as they perceive it, and they may or may not feel it's "worth it" once they see it running.  LOL I've done some work where I basically *begged* a client *not* to spend money, because I didn't think it was going to do what they wanted.  But they insisted, so I did it after making my position clear. 

Either way you decide, I do sincerely hope it works out as you want, and I'd be very interested in hearing back if you decide to change to the 5700X3D.  As others have mentioned, DCS isn't usually among the more popular benchmarks/reviews, so it might be good to hear how it goes with DCS specifically.

Best of luck to you...look forward to hearing back

Edited October 30, 2024 by kksnowbear