My wish: That ED listens the wishes expressed here. Grass related request

[jef32]

I admit that some of the threads here are impossible to do or too time-eater to realize. But since you have included in the ME the capacity to edit the trigger zones and ajusting them as polygons, me and many others have asked that the action of disappearance of the grass could be included the triggers disappearance of trees or objects  in the third part of the trigger board. And I'm sure that it's just only some lines of programming code to modify or to add. We can have official or unofficial hangars and it's very unrealistic to see static planes parked in them with their wheels hidden by a high grass. ED, please, add a lawnmower in the triggers. You can say, in other way that it's possible to remove the grass in the graphic settings. But your grass is very well done and it would be a shame to remove it everywhere, just defined zones would be perfect.

[Slippa]

I’m not so sure it’d be a few lines of programming to adjust but I’m not a programmer. 

The grass could do with a wee trim, we’ve had these discussions before. 

 

[jef32]

I know, we had this discussion but nothing about happened from ED.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

There's a lot of suggestions in this section, though.

[Dangerzone]

On 11/24/2024 at 2:29 AM, Slippa said:

I’m not so sure it’d be a few lines of programming to adjust but I’m not a programmer. 

I am a programmer, so I can comment with experience.

And my comment is thus: I can say with absolute certainty that it might be just a few lines of code or might not be. 

Truth is - Unless you actually know the code and what's going on behind the scenes, you can't definitely know how easy or difficult it will be. You can guess.

I've had functions to develop that initially sound like it's going to take ages to accomplish, and the reality was due to specific circumstances, etc - it was a dead basic 5 min job. Likewise though, I've had some functions that people have requested to be added that sound like they should be a 5 min job, and they're incredibly difficult (if not nigh impossible) to implement. There's so much that comes down do it that just because it seems it should be easy, doesn't always make it so. 

One can still hypothesize though, that if there are other things that cause the grass to disappear around areas such as FARPS, etc - then the functionality is already in DCS to a certain extent, so it should be simpler to implement - but even then - there can be so many "gotcha's" unless you're the one developing, or have inside knowledge of how things are coded you can never be certain. 

That being said - do invisible FARPS 'mow the lawns'? If so - is it possible to place invisible farps, make them inactive at that location as a workaround. (I have no idea, just throwing a workaround thought out there)?

All that to write - that I +1 the OP's request to have the ability to remove grass from selected areas. 

[draconus]

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My wish: That ED listens the wishes expressed here.

You have no idea how many improvements and additions came from the wish list during the DCS years. Of course there are also many that weren't realised, even when asked by many for years. That's how it works - it's only a wish list.

[BIGNEWY]

On 11/23/2024 at 2:15 PM, jef32 said:

I admit that some of the threads here are impossible to do or too time-eater to realize. But since you have included in the ME the capacity to edit the trigger zones and ajusting them as polygons, me and many others have asked that the action of disappearance of the grass could be included the triggers disappearance of trees or objects  in the third part of the trigger board. And I'm sure that it's just only some lines of programming code to modify or to add. We can have official or unofficial hangars and it's very unrealistic to see static planes parked in them with their wheels hidden by a high grass. ED, please, add a lawnmower in the triggers. You can say, in other way that it's possible to remove the grass in the graphic settings. But your grass is very well done and it would be a shame to remove it everywhere, just defined zones would be perfect.

Hi, 

we have listened to a lot of feedback here in the wish list section and some have been added to DCS over the years. It helps to have a good title and explanation for the thread and examples for the team to see. 

I have edited the title to add it is a grass related request. 

thank you 

[jef32]

At least, your answer, Bignewy proofs that now you're aware of the request. Perhaps I'm wrong, as says dangerzone, that it's not a few lines to add to the code, but if I compare that with an other subject: since years, some customers have asked to ED a better management of the clouds and weather ( thickness, ceiling) and I know, the next update will include ( dare I say at long last) a big improvement of the weather and clouds. But since some months, an user has done a magnificent mod with just some code lines in a lua file ( https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3335023/ ) and this litle mod allows us to have at last a more realistic and beautiful weather, with just some lines of a lua file. In brief, he did the job that ED should have done a long time ago . That's why I'm inclined to think that it would surely be the same to add the grass in the remove list of the removing action of objects and trees in the third board of triggers panel. But as I said previously, I'm not a dev, perhaps that for the grass it's less easier and more time-eater, I don't know.
An other exemple too and as you can see, i'm french and on a french forum, we can read the reactions saying "at last !" about the multiselection of objects for copying-pasting coming in the next update and asked by many people since long long years.
You're understand now why we have often the feeling that this section of the forum is like the red button on the traffic-lights pole, for the pedestrians, giving them the false feeling that the traffic light will turn red for the cars, sooner that if nobody has pressed, when in fact, it doesn't set out to do anything.

[BIGNEWY]

57 minutes ago, jef32 said:

At least, your answer, Bignewy proofs that now you're aware of the request. Perhaps I'm wrong, as says dangerzone, that it's not a few lines to add to the code, but if I compare that with an other subject: since years, some customers have asked to ED a better management of the clouds and weather ( thickness, ceiling) and I know, the next update will include ( dare I say at long last) a big improvement of the weather and clouds. But since some months, an user has done a magnificent mod with just some code lines in a lua file ( https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3335023/ ) and this litle mod allows us to have at last a more realistic and beautiful weather, with just some lines of a lua file. In brief, he did the job that ED should have done a long time ago . That's why I'm inclined to think that it would surely be the same to add the grass in the remove list of the removing action of objects and trees in the third board of triggers panel. But as I said previously, I'm not a dev, perhaps that for the grass it's less easier and more time-eater, I don't know.
An other exemple too and as you can see, i'm french and on a french forum, we can read the reactions saying "at last !" about the multiselection of objects for copying-pasting coming in the next update and asked by many people since long long years.
You're understand now why we have often the feeling that this section of the forum is like the red button on the traffic-lights pole, for the pedestrians, giving them the false feeling that the traffic light will turn red for the cars, sooner that if nobody has pressed, when in fact, it doesn't set out to do anything.

We have our own work with weather and when we are ready we will update you all, next as mentioned in our newsletter fog and dust will be improved, and dynamic lighting. 

Things may not happen to your desired timeline but there is always work being done and our change logs will show that work when it is ready. 

thank you 

[cfrag]

5 minutes ago, jef32 said:

At least, your answer, Bignewy proofs that now you're aware of the request.

ED (and @BIGNEWY in particular) do read these comments. We can even see that, occasionally, there is a tangible result. After a couple of years with DCS, reading the (too few) missives that do arrive from the Mothership, I tend to agree with Sidekick's assessment that ED attempts "Community Management", vis-à-vis "Community Engagement" [see the 09:30 mark in the linked video]: ED is intent to convince their community that what they do is right, rather than listening to them to hear what they have to say about DCS. In other words: I feel that most of our comments are tolerated, but not really welcome - unless they align with ED's own goals. For a simple, revealing example look no further that this page's welcome message:

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We do not have time to read through a 30 post thread of two people arguing why something is bad, in fact most times we will just read the first post for the idea and move on from there,

Note that the red coloration is ED's own. Ask anyone with experience in communications, and they agree what above statement screams: "stop bothering me, be brief, don't socialize". It's hardly surprising to me that we get the results that we do, and it's the main reason that I feel that ED can dramatically improve their engagement with the community. As long as ED seemingly regard most of us as a necessary evil rather than a resource for inspiration, the likelihood of our engagement with ED to be successful and/or rewarding stays miniscule. 

For reference, please find Sidekick's thoughts below, which to me (being a management type myself) ring true, and are an outsider's assessment (like mine). So, like mine, they may all be bull. I'm still hopeful that ED have mapped out their long-term strategy to better engage with us, their community, and are busy guarding against the obvious challenges that DCS is facing mid-term: a hollowed-out core, and accelerating slide in delivered quality. After so many years, DCS is approaching an inflection point, and I'd love to see 10 more years of DCS,

 

[jef32]

I understand totally that ED can't answer positively at all wishes. I understand that, like all the enterprises in the world, the goal of ED is to make money and that some of wishes here, particularly if these wishes needs time without money back. But, like I have highlighted by giving as exemple the amazing weather mod of Bandit64, some of the wishes could be easily granted and I think, perhaps wrongly, that the fact to remove grass in trigger zone is just more easy for a programmer team than greatly enhancing the weather like a single user has done for the community with just some lines in a lua file and that ED could have think to make this little file themselves in some minutes to please the wishes of the community wanting since years more options to set the weather than the poor options offered by default by ED until the next upgrade.

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, jef32 said:

I understand totally that ED can't answer positively at all wishes. I understand that, like all the enterprises in the world, the goal of ED is to make money and that some of wishes here, particularly if these wishes needs time without money back. But, like I have highlighted by giving as exemple the amazing weather mod of Bandit64, some of the wishes could be easily granted and I think, perhaps wrongly, that the fact to remove grass in trigger zone is just more easy for a programmer team than greatly enhancing the weather like a single user has done for the community with just some lines in a lua file and that ED could have think to make this little file themselves in some minutes to please the wishes of the community wanting since years more options to set the weather than the poor options offered by default by ED until the next upgrade.

As I have already mentioned work on weather is happening internally so using mods wont help in this case for us, we just need to wait for the work to be ready. 

[jef32]

Yeah, you have mentionned it, I know. The problem is the number of years we had to wait for something you'll give us soon, surely ( I hope) in a better way than the mod of Bandit64 allows but a temporary solution similar to what he has done could have been the official ED temporary answer before what you'll give us in few times.

I just hope that we will need'nt to wait too long until a day you will think that removing grass in a trigger zone is perhaps a good idea like ED just think recently that the multiselection of items with the copy-paste is a good idea wished by the community since years.

Edited November 25, 2024 by jef32

[BIGNEWY]

you need to remember this is a wish list thread and not a to do list. Otherwise you will be disappointed, and I dont want you to have false expectation's as we can not make every wish come true. 

[jef32]

You know what, I'm giving up. That's exactly what I've already said and understand totally that you can't make every wish to comes true, especially if these wishes need too heavy times without money back in return and I'm agree totally with you for that. But if some of these wishes were very simple to realize with no need of time to realize them, I have difficulties to understand why you don't realize them. That's why I say that for me, this section of the forum is just here to give us the false feeling that ED is listening to us.

Have a nice evening !