no air-to-ground APG-63 or APG-63(V)1

[KarateCriminal]

Will the radar version be the vanilla APG-63 or the late 90s/early 2000s APG-63(V)1?

[NEW is my Callsign.]

I wonder if they will make the AESA APG-63V2 or V3 since now AESA is apparently now possible in DCS with the F-35.

[KarateCriminal]

Only a handful of jets got V2 (around 18 if I recall). V3 is just a bit too new for the year we are getting. Would be amazing though.

[Dragon1-1]

I just hope they reconsider air to ground capabilities (other than strafing with the gun, that is). APG-63 had good air to ground modes, and the F-15 was cleared to carry bombs, though it hardly ever did in US service.

[NEW is my Callsign.]

I'm absolutely sure it will be the V(1) though, I'm really more intrested in the V(3) though. The fact that we are getting the 35 makes it possible.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Yes, CCIP and CCRP with Mk80-series should be possible…

[Harlikwin]

2 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

I just hope they reconsider air to ground capabilities (other than strafing with the gun, that is). APG-63 had good air to ground modes, and the F-15 was cleared to carry bombs, though it hardly ever did in US service.

Um well, there is an air to ground eagle in DCS already.

 

[NEW is my Callsign.]

1 minute ago, NEW is my Callsign. said:

I'm absolutely sure it will be the V(1) though, I'm really more intrested in the V(3) though. The fact that we are getting the 35 makes it possible.

Plus notice they didn't mention the version of the 63 in the FAQ, that must mean at least they are looking into the possibility of an AESA.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

1 minute ago, Harlikwin said:

Um well, there is an air to ground eagle in DCS already.

 

Sure but that’s not the point, surely? If the aircraft as used in the USAF could do it, we should be able to in DCS. It simply increases the value of the module.

[Harlikwin]

Just now, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Sure but that’s not the point, surely? If the aircraft as used in the USAF could do it, we should be able to in DCS. It simply increases the value of the module.

I mean but they didn't do it. Israel did tho. I mean cool if its in but like its not how the plane was really used.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

3 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

its not how the plane was really used

I never heard a report about an F-14 carrying Zuni rockets into combat. Yet according to Heatblur it was able (and cleared) to do so, so I’m happy we at least have the ability to use them in DCS if we so desire.

Edited January 17 by Raven (Elysian Angel)
Bloody autocorrect

[Dragon1-1]

We have two maps that feature Israel. Even if it's not the Israeli version, we should still be able to fly the missions that they did, too.

Also, I'm of the opinion that if it's in the manual, it should be put in, no matter what the doctrine says. I think air to ground is in the Eaglejet manual.

5 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

Um well, there is an air to ground eagle in DCS already.

Yeah, from RAZBAM. There's a little problem with that right now. The ED module, for instance, is quite more likely to be actually completed.

[MAXsenna]

13 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Yeah, from RAZBAM. There's a little problem with that right now. The ED module, for instance, is quite more likely to be actually completed.

And, going out on a limb here, the statement about the E from the CEO, makes much more sense now. 

[F-2]

17 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

I mean but they didn't do it. Israel did tho. I mean cool if its in but like its not how the plane was really used.

They apparently are all wired to do it. JASDF tried to have the capability removed but it would have cost too much to eliminate.

[Wizard_03]

 If you have to do that with the F-15 you probably already lost the war. The cost of sending the eagle up to do A2G for an organization like USAF/ANG logistically makes about as much sense as using a Lambo for door dash. 

Also those multiple ejector racks for dropping bombs never made it past testing due to separation issues. In either the streak eagle or the albino so that whole image is hypothetical. 

[Kev2go]

1 hour ago, KarateCriminal said:

Only a handful of jets got V2 (around 18 if I recall). V3 is just a bit too new for the year we are getting. Would be amazing though.

 apparently only squadron with APG63V1 and datalink was the 390th from Idaho. 20 aircraft.

 

https://skytrailer.nl/eagle-squadrons/390th-fighter-squadron/

 

 

Edited January 17 by Kev2go

[KarateCriminal]

7 minutes ago, Kev2go said:

 apparently only squadron with APG63V1 and datalink was the 390th from Idaho. 20 aircraft.

 

https://skytrailer.nl/eagle-squadrons/390th-fighter-squadron/

 

 

There were 2 data link systems installed in the F-15. The JTIDS system which the mentioned 390th aircraft got. The rest of the fleet got the lower cost Fighter Data Link. I think you are mistaking the V1 and the V2. The V2 was an initial AESA which only about 18 of the Alaska based F-15s got. The rest were upgraded to the V1. Late production 15Cs got the APG-70 but these were replaced with the 63V1 to free up the parts for use in the Strike Eagle

[Kev2go]

17 minutes ago, KarateCriminal said:

There were 2 data link systems installed in the F-15. The JTIDS system which the mentioned 390th aircraft got. The rest of the fleet got the lower cost Fighter Data Link. I think you are mistaking the V1 and the V2. The V2 was an initial AESA which only about 18 of the Alaska based F-15s got. The rest were upgraded to the V1. Late production 15Cs got the APG-70 but these were replaced with the 63V1 to free up the parts for use in the Strike Eagle

im not mistaking anything I am just working under assumption we are getting APG63 v1 and not AESA  Apg63 v2, and therefore am expecting JTIDS system. The other 3 lettered sim's F15C manual references theirs as the JTID eagles. The Sit page format is similar to F15E's FDL Sit page.

Edited January 17 by Kev2go

[Dragon1-1]

1 hour ago, Wizard_03 said:

 If you have to do that with the F-15 you probably already lost the war. The cost of sending the eagle up to do A2G for an organization like USAF/ANG logistically makes about as much sense as using a Lambo for door dash. 

While our Eaglejet is USAF, we could want it to stand in for any number of foreign operators, including Israelis, who definitely did use it in that capacity.

Again, if it is in the manual, it should be in DCS. Eaglejets were and still are wired for it, mostly because getting rid of that wiring would be a huge bother for no gain.

[KPenn5]

1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said:

While our Eaglejet is USAF, we could want it to stand in for any number of foreign operators, including Israelis, who definitely did use it in that capacity.

Again, if it is in the manual, it should be in DCS. Eaglejets were and still are wired for it, mostly because getting rid of that wiring would be a huge bother for no gain.

As far as I know, only the Israelis have used the light gray eagle in any sort of air to ground capacity. I have never read of anyone else doing it. I don't understand the love affair with having the F-15C doing air to ground, especially when that was never its thing. We can talk about obscure situations all day long, but the fact is, the Eagle was and is an air superiority fighter. If you want an Eagle for air to ground, we already have the Mudhen (for how long, no one knows) in DCS. It's the same as using the A-10 in air to air, yes, it technically can carry air to air missiles, but was it really designed to patrol no fly zones, ready to take on MiG's or Sukhoi's penetrating denied airspace?

[F-2]

19 minutes ago, KPenn5 said:

As far as I know, only the Israelis have used the light gray eagle in any sort of air to ground capacity. I have never read of anyone else doing it. I don't understand the love affair with having the F-15C doing air to ground, especially when that was never its thing. We can talk about obscure situations all day long, but the fact is, the Eagle was and is an air superiority fighter. If you want an Eagle for air to ground, we already have the Mudhen (for how long, no one knows) in DCS. It's the same as using the A-10 in air to air, yes, it technically can carry air to air missiles, but was it really designed to patrol no fly zones, ready to take on MiG's or Sukhoi's penetrating denied airspace?

Japan who ironically wanted to remove the capability does use it

 

[MudMoverGSH]

1 hour ago, F-2 said:

Japan who ironically wanted to remove the capability does use it

 

And they'll also be the carrier of JASSM iirc, right?

Yes, ED, please add AG modes as they exist. After all, this is a "full fidelity" module, right?

Edited January 17 by MudMoverGSH

[NineLine]

We are not modelling a Japanese version of the F-15C, we are doing the US one, but we did say we could include some liveries for Japan, all this is in the FAQ. Thanks. 

[B503]

12 hours ago, NEW is my Callsign. said:

I wonder if they will make the AESA APG-63V2 or V3 since now AESA is apparently now possible in DCS with the F-35.

Or more likely that's the background reason why ED picked F-15C full fidelity. AN/APG-63(v)3 is one of the earliest days AESA in USAF and it's relatively easier to touch in terms of information. Obviously good "prototype" for sim makers aiming for later AESA.

[Wizard_03]

10 hours ago, KPenn5 said:

As far as I know, only the Israelis have used the light gray eagle in any sort of air to ground capacity. I have never read of anyone else doing it. I don't understand the love affair with having the F-15C doing air to ground, especially when that was never its thing. We can talk about obscure situations all day long, but the fact is, the Eagle was and is an air superiority fighter. If you want an Eagle for air to ground, we already have the Mudhen (for how long, no one knows) in DCS. It's the same as using the A-10 in air to air, yes, it technically can carry air to air missiles, but was it really designed to patrol no fly zones, ready to take on MiG's or Sukhoi's penetrating denied airspace?

Yeah its bizarre to me. Why are we talking about bombs we should be talking about shooting things down.